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[RD] Hamas/Israeli War News One: Hostages and Invasion

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Imagine how dangerous it is to speak up, that aid workers tell you to shut up and close up your mouth
But there are likely to be only a minority given how long Hamas has been in control

Damn so y'all can't make up your minds whether the children aren't really dying or whether their deaths are actually Hamas' fault

Luckily, there's a lot of levelheaded Zionists out there in the world, who are building a constructive, peaceful two-state solution with Palestine. I'm sure of that.

There are quite a few liberal Zionists in the US who are sane but just have no goddamn idea what's going on.
 
Damn so y'all can't make up your minds whether the children aren't really dying or whether their deaths are actually Hamas' fault

No Hamas is blameless
Come on, I know were both just being edge lords here but this is too dumb

Hamas' Head of Political and International Relations has told Sky News that no civilians have been killed by the militant group.
 
With Gaza City in the northern part of the strip encircled by the IDF, the attack on Hamas is really escalating.

Shifa Hospital had some ambulances hit.

The attack resulted in 15 deaths and at least 60 wounded civilians, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS).
In a statement, the PRCS said the convoy of five ambulances tried to transport casualties toward the Rafah border crossing, but was returning to the hospital because the road was blocked with rubble when it was targeted by two missiles.

Israel acknowledged that it attacked an ambulance because it was used by the Hamas militia. The Israeli forces have been insisting on the evacuation of this hospital, claiming it houses the underground command center of the Islamist militants.


There are also reports on social media of an al-Azhar University being bombed, but I don't see it in any major media. :hmm:
al-Azhar is also the name of the biggest university in Egypt. Maybe they opened a branch in Gaza?


I think I found it on Google Maps near the Shifa Hospital. :hmm:
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I think it's the same university that was bombed 3 weeks ago.
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that is all

Ya, there was a pretty big rally today in the capital for Palestine.



Also, there is reportedly a lot of resistance at the State Department over current policy.


A junior State Department employee who is organizing a dissent cable on the White House's policy on Israel has used social media to publicly accuse President Biden of being "complicit in genocide" toward the people of Gaza.

Their boss is probably going to give them an earful over the public @POTUS tweet.
 
Interesting question for another thread (@Birdjaguar posted between the time of me writing this and getting it posted) but I would say yes with reservations: best example I have is the former Spanish Sahara has been part of Morocco since the 1970’s and based on my cursory readings of the conflict most countries have accepted their sovereignty over the region.

I would also expand this to states with limited or no recognized sovereignty like Somaliland or the Russian occupation of Crimea which was condemned but increasingly tolerated until 2022. Again, further discussion would be better served elsewhere but I just wanted to say I don’t think this is unprecedented or isolated to Israel. :)
Vae victis in not so many words, basically. Also the anemic example of the Spanish Sahara when what we're talking about is the Holy Land.
Also, there is reportedly a lot of resistance at the State Department over current policy.

With resignations too, the leadership is in chaos.
 
People at thier most miserable possess no greater moral imperative than vae victus. This situation qualifies. I almost think the least miserable solution is Isreal simply cuts off the strip entirely and says, "you want them to live? You feed them."

But seriously, eat chickens you've seen grow, or even corn, if life is sacred, and yup. In the most unfortunate circumstances, yes: survivor bias rules. It's why capitalism is more palatable than communism is more palatable than nazism, if we look at it without glamor. Like, for real.

You can make a religious argument against that, if you want. I like those. I'd like to read it.
 
People at thier most miserable possess no greater moral imperative than vae victus. This situation qualifies. I almost think the least miserable solution is Isreal simply cuts off the strip entirely and says, "you want them to live? You feed them."

Lucky you - with Israel blockading the Gaza strip from any aid from anywhere, you might get what you wish for. In the ruins of a city where warplanes bomb hospitals, I am sure you'll see much flourishing.

But seriously, eat chickens you've seen grow, or even corn, if life is sacred, and yup. In the most unfortunate circumstances, yes: survivor bias rules. It's why capitalism is more palatable than communism is more palatable than nazism, if we look at it without glamor. Like, for real.

what on earth are you talking about
 
More on the encircled Gaza City in the northern Gaza strip.

About 375,000 people out of the original 1.3 million are still in the area.


ENCIRCLING GAZA CITY

U.S. Special Envoy David Satterfield on Saturday said in Amman that between 800,000 to a million people had moved to the south of the Gaza Strip, while 350,000-400,000 others remained in northern Gaza City and its environs.
Israel last month ordered all civilians to leave the northern part of Gaza, including Gaza City, and head to the southern part of the enclave.
The Israeli military said it would enable Palestinians to travel on a main Gaza highway, the Salah a-Din road, during a three-hour window on Saturday. Several residents told Reuters they were too afraid to use the road. Many posted warnings on social media that Israeli tanks were stationed there.

3 hours to take the highway out of town. :(

Israeli officials told a CNN reporter embedded with Israeli forces who moved about a kilometer into the Gaza Strip that they were encircling Gaza City in the northern part of the densely-populated enclave and cutting it off from the southern part.
Fighting was "fierce" near an Israeli outpost on the outskirts of Gaza City, CNN reported, saying Israeli soldiers were battling Hamas fighters hundreds of meters to the north and south. Heavy gunfire could be heard in the background of footage filmed at the outpost.
"IDF will be here as long as it takes - weeks, months, years - until it makes sure that Israel is safe and secure ... If we need to get inside Gaza house-by-house, it's exactly what's going to happen," one Israeli soldier told CNN.
Israeli forces faced ambushes from underground tunnels, CNN said, adding that 29 soldiers had died since Israel launched its ground offensive.
The network cited Israeli soldiers as saying they were trying to secure a humanitarian corridor to help civilians flee the fighting.

Ah, CNN reporter Jeremy Diamond has embedded with the IDF to report from inside Gaza.
He's around 30 years old.

 
I was not talking about "humane*." I was talking about moral righteousness/imperative. Particularly as it will be spoken tomorrow.

*though that is its own whole issue, if you want to take it in the context of my original post. If you want a random aside, I suggest comparing shechita slaughter to halal slaughter, in maybe Temple Grandin's opinion(the most sublime designer of slaughterhouses I know), because I think that's where this argument actually resides.
 
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I was trying to impress upon you that it is difficult to be self-sustaining while a modern military and state apparatus is against you. It is on me for being too subtle, however.
 
Perhaps, but I think we're making different points. I edited in an asterisk. Maybe it's just a matter of timeframe. What do you think the disconnect is? I can't say I like anything, at all, that I've been reading. And I rather doubt you have liked any of it either.
 
The disconnect is that you appear to live in the skies above and evidently unbothered by earthly concerns. You speak of plucking chickens, when the IDF shoots children; you speak of cutting off the Gaza Strip when that is happening, to a devastating moral and physical catastrophe, an ample demonstration of the 'civilized' Western way of life that Israel is really bringing to the region. Once you get down to the earth we may be able to talk about this.
 
I think maybe killing things with my own hands has changed me more than it has you. If that's your take on the disconnect.

It changed vets more. For what that's worth.
 
There is a massive difference between killing a chicken and killing a human being.
 
Yeah. We eat the chickens. They're delicious. Society doesn't execute me for it. I, at least, would agree that is massive. I don't even believe in animal rights, so just flat agree. But. It still changes you.
 
Lucky you - with Israel blockading the Gaza strip from any aid from anywhere, you might get what you wish for. In the ruins of a city where warplanes bomb hospitals, I am sure you'll see much flourishing.
what on earth are you talking about

Might I suggest NOT attacking your neighbours ?
And its time to stop promising this (from river to the sea) and settle for a lasting peace.

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