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Hanging Gardens anybody?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by pspboy7, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. pspboy7

    pspboy7 Prince

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    After the patch, Hanging Gardens just looks way way way too good to pass up, anyone else think so? It seems that the guys at Firaxis were drinking some thinking juice when they gave it the love it deserved :D
     
  2. Cilpot

    Cilpot Pretentious Schmuck

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    Suddenly one of my favourite wonders.
     
  3. Martin Alvito

    Martin Alvito Real men play SMAC

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    It's situational.

    The effects are very good, but it forces you to go down a tech line that you really don't have a lot of business being in that early on higher difficulties. Unless you hut luck a luxury tech, you really don't have time to do anything other than either Pottery -> Writing -> beeline and Mining or simply beeline -> Mining.

    That makes you extremely reliant on Mining luxuries. On Deity, you also need to be able to depend on not getting rushed. A determined Sword rush is going to eat Archers/Chariot Archers and Warriors, then your city.

    That said, if you survive the process of building it you're going to be in very good shape going forward.
     
  4. pspboy7

    pspboy7 Prince

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    Interesting, but I never tend to beeline anything other than military techs. Just saying that the Hanging Gardens seem a trifle more desirable build than most other wonders now after the patch. +10 food bonus seems a no brainer for a science city to me ;)
     
  5. Martin Alvito

    Martin Alvito Real men play SMAC

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    Hagia Sophia is pretty clearly the best Wonder, since it has a desirable ability and lets you build something more expensive with a GE from it. You'd be crazy not to build it whatever your gameplan was.

    The Hanging Gardens are pretty clearly the best Wonder available before Medieval, but you have to make a lot of sacrifices to get it. The result is that it's hard to universally recommend it.
     
  6. anandus

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    Especially with the synergy with the Temple of Artemis which is down that techroute anyway.
    (Although the temple of artemis isn't that good, and one can ask itself the question if it's worth it)
     
  7. Nightshades

    Nightshades Chieftain

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    Well it's insanely good for OCC - that's for sure...
    You get the Hanging Gardens - and you can trade away ALL your luxaries and still be above 0 in happiness.
     
  8. GoodSarmatian

    GoodSarmatian Blackpilled Idealist

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    Aztec + Hanging Gardens = 19th century size 45 capital.
     
  9. Vo01985

    Vo01985 Warlord

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    Aztec + Lakes + Hanging Gardens + Temple of Artemis + Tradition Tree. I think I ended with nearly a size 60 cap, pretty sick.
     
  10. PasturedCow

    PasturedCow Chieftain

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    I read a post around here the other day that said the temple of artemis actually increases total food, not surplus food. This makes the temple of artemis is VERY GOOD. If I had to choose, most of the time I'd rather have artemis as in the long run it'll produce more food overall. It also has a nice GE point which can be helpful.
     
  11. chazzycat

    chazzycat Deity

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    Love it for OCC, it's probably the single most important wonder. Well PT is more important, but is generally much easier to get.

    Otherwise it's situational, and on the higher levels distracts from better tech paths. It's great on Prince-Emperor though.

    Just make sure you have monarchy to deal with the happiness, or instead of growing use the extra food to work production tiles.
     
  12. qyll

    qyll Prince

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    I mainly play for very wide empires and renaissance era dominations.

    That said, it's a nice wonder. It's great if I can get it, but if I had to choose between more units or hanging gardens, it would have to be more units every time. Thus, I almost never attempt to build it.
     
  13. AmbientDarkness

    AmbientDarkness Chieftain

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    I find that it's a great wonder if you can build it, but not game-changing if you miss it. If you have a production-rich capital, it can be worth the hammer cost, but otherwise you're probably better off exploring other techs and units/buildings in the very important early game. As has been said, the Hagia Sophia and Porcelain Tower are probably more important, but for it's era the HG is a good wonder.
     
  14. J-man

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    It's a really really good wonder, that's for sure.
     
  15. fmlizard2

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    I always have food issues, even on grassland starts, but I still almost never get Hanging Gardens. As was said earlier, the tech path to get it is pretty undesirable early on. Plus, the AI builds it SO fast on higher levels. You really need to beeline it if you want it but a beeline there leaves you short in so many other areas.

    I consider it a nice to have but not a need to have.
     
  16. ArcaneSeraph

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    I've found the HG and the Inca are an excellent combo. They tend to have so many nice hills in their capital that you can make good use of the extra food for production purposes. Otherwise I only tend to build it if I'm going monarchy or I have a low food area.
     
  17. Roghar

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    It's nice, tough to get on higher difficulties though. I've been playing Korea since they appeared, really suits them as it enables more specialists but have only managed it once (Immortal).
     
  18. MasterMishi

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    I pass on it more than i build it, agree HS is better, and i prefer +10 happiness from notre dame as happiness often limits growth rather than food, ND + aqueduct + river cap + food focus = big city and spare happiness to puppet
     
  19. pspboy7

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    Dude, you are right, I'll have to try that out now hehe. Imagine China with both Hanging Gardens and Temple of Artemis in the same city. Spam UU archers and a killer science/production city to boot! :)
     
  20. Dreadnought

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    I've tried some strategies to rush it, especially as the Aztecs, but it's really tough to justify the fact that you're missing out on Libraries for awhile. It's a great wonder which can possibly rank as the best in the Ancient Era, except for it's unfortunate placement.
     

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