[RD] Hannity just incited Mueller witnesses to obstruct justice

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http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...eller-probe-smash-their-phones-to-little-itsy

Fox News host Sean Hannity appeared on Wednesday to advise witnesses in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation to destroy their personal phones before handing them over to prosecutors.

"If I advised them to follow Hillary Clinton’s lead, delete all your emails and then acid-wash your emails and hard drives on the phones, then take your phones and bash them with a hammer to little itsy bitsy pieces, use BleachBit, remove the sim cards and then take the pieces and hand them over to Robert Mueller," Hannity said on air.

The conservative television host's comments came after CNBC reported that Mueller's team had asked witnesses in its probe to turn over their personal phones for examination of encrypted messaging apps, like WhatsApp, Dust and Signal.

The reported request followed a court filing from Mueller's team accusing former Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, of attempted witness tampering — in part by using encrypted messaging apps. Mueller asked the court on Monday to revoke or revise Manafort's release conditions, including his bond and house arrest, in response to the court filing.


On "incitement" Wikipedia says:

United States
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees free speech, and the degree to which incitement is protected speech is determined by the imminent lawless action test introduced by the 1969 Supreme Court decision in the case Brandenburg v. Ohio. The court ruled that incitement of events in the indefinite future was protected, but encouragement of "imminent" illegal acts was not protected. This "view reflects longstanding law and is shared by the Federalist Society, the ACLU, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, and the vast majority of Americans, including most staunch free-speech advocates."[17]
Here the incitement is Imminent because Hannity says do it before turning over your phone. :hammer:

Findlaw says federal obstruction of justice is:
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/obstruction-of-justice.html

Obstructing Justice Under Federal Jurisdiction

Obstruction of justice is defined by federal statute as any "interference with the orderly administration of law and justice" and governed by 18 U.S.C. §§ 1501-1521. Federal code identifies more than 20 specific types of obstruction, including "Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees" (18 U.S.C. § 1505), the specific code section cited in the Nixon and Clinton articles of impeachment.

Other ways an individual may commit this offense include, but are not limited to, the following acts:
  • Influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally (18 U.S.C. § 1503)
  • Obstruction of criminal investigations (18 U.S.C. § 1510)
  • Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant (18 U.S.C. § 1512)
  • Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant (18 U.S.C. § 1513)
  • Destruction of corporate audit records (18 U.S.C. § 1520)
The crime can take any number of forms, whether it's bribery, tampering with evidence, lying to investigators, abusing one's power, or some other act intended to impede a criminal investigation. The federal obstruction of justice statute is written broadly and focuses more on the effect (or intended effect) of a particular action rather than the specific act itself. Therefore, seemingly innocuous acts could be construed as criminal activity if they have the intended effect of impeding justice.

Elements of an Obstruction of Justice Charge

The elements required for a conviction on an obstruction of justice charge differ slightly by code section. For instance, prosecutors must prove the following elements for a conviction under section 1503 of the federal statute (influencing or injuring an officer or juror):

  1. There was a pending federal judicial proceeding;
  2. The defendant knew of the proceeding; and
  3. The defendant had corrupt intent to interfere with or attempted to interfere with the proceeding.
But regardless of the specific section of federal law (1501 through 1521) cited in a particular case, the prosecution need not prove any actual obstruction -- the defendant's attempt to obstruct is enough. The element of intent, which is central to such cases, is also usually the most difficult to prove; although memos, phone calls, and recorded conversations may be used as evidence to establish this.

Here, Hannity advocates witnesses to destroy evidence needed in the Russia investigation. I say, it's off to the hoosegow with him. :thumbsdown:
 
Didnt Micheal Cohen office get raided because he was about to destroy evidence ?
Also weren't Clintons phones destroyed as standard procedure after she resigned as Sec of State and before being supeoned by the FBI ?

Facts have a liberal bias
 
Didnt Micheal Cohen office get raided because he was about to destroy evidence ?
Also weren't Clintons phones destroyed as standard procedure after she resigned as Sec of State and before being supeoned by the FBI ?

Facts have a liberal bias

Yes, yes, and indeed they do.
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...eller-probe-smash-their-phones-to-little-itsy

Fox News host Sean Hannity appeared on Wednesday to advise witnesses in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation to destroy their personal phones before handing them over to prosecutors.

"If I advised them to follow Hillary Clinton’s lead, delete all your emails and then acid-wash your emails and hard drives on the phones, then take your phones and bash them with a hammer to little itsy bitsy pieces, use BleachBit, remove the sim cards and then take the pieces and hand them over to Robert Mueller," Hannity said on air.

The conservative television host's comments came after CNBC reported that Mueller's team had asked witnesses in its probe to turn over their personal phones for examination of encrypted messaging apps, like WhatsApp, Dust and Signal.

The reported request followed a court filing from Mueller's team accusing former Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, of attempted witness tampering — in part by using encrypted messaging apps. Mueller asked the court on Monday to revoke or revise Manafort's release conditions, including his bond and house arrest, in response to the court filing. On "incitement" Wikipedia says: Here the incitement is Imminent because Hannity says do it before turning over your phone. :hammer:

Findlaw says federal obstruction of justice is:
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/obstruction-of-justice.html
Here, Hannity advocates witnesses to destroy evidence needed in the Russia investigation. I say, it's off to the hoosegow with him. :thumbsdown:
You are claiming Hillary Clinton committed a felony during the 2016 campaign. Why didn't you say so at the time?

J

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You are claiming Hillary Clinton committed a felony during the 2016 campaign. Why didn't you say so at the time?

J

He didn't claim that. Please don't lie about other posters' posts.
 
You are claiming Hillary Clinton committed a felony during the 2016 campaign. Why didn't you say so at the time?

J
No, Hannity is the one making that claim, you missed the little " thingies that indicate a "quote".
 
I'm not a lawyer but Hannity's trolling is not incitement. It's not posed as advice but as a rhetorical argument

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I'd like to point out that Nexlev's post is very good. And TheHill.com's headline is also very good. A headline should entice people to read, but it should also leave them more informed after reading it. But their http link title is bad.
 
You are claiming Hillary Clinton committed a felony during the 2016 campaign. Why didn't you say so at the time? J

Only one Felony ?
Clinton ran a fake university to scamm students out of money, kept getting bankrupt so many times that no US bank would lend them any money, scammed contractors by not paying them, then was warned by the FBI that Russia was trying to inflitrate their campaign and to report all activity to the FBI instead set up meeting with Russians, Ran a charity and then use charity money as a personal bank account, promised to pay millions to charity and then pay nothing
LOCK HER UP !
 
if I said people being investigated by Mueller should destroy the evidence, Mueller would send people after me for inciting the obstruction of justice?

eh, I think my complicity has to be a bit more...complicit

thats an interesting question though, at what point would it become an incitement?
 
Given how closely tied Hannity is with His Trumpiness - such as through the "lawyer" Michael Cohen - it could be approaching levels of playing with fire.
 
He didn't claim that. Please don't lie about other posters' posts.
You cannot wiggle out of this one with a simple denial. His main point that Hannity is encouraging others to do what Clinton's staff did, which is a felony. Clinton's staff did destroy evidence. This is a felony. Not a lot of wiggle room for you.

I'm not a lawyer but Hannity's trolling is not incitement. It's not posed as advice but as a rhetorical argument.
That too.

J
 
You cannot wiggle out of this one with a simple denial. His main point that Hannity is encouraging others to do what Clinton's staff did, which is a felony. Clinton's staff did destroy evidence. This is a felony. Not a lot of wiggle room for you.


That too.

J
No, Hannity is the one making that claim, you missed the little " thingies that indicate a "quote".
Do you even know what a quotation sign means? Or are you so thick-skulled that i have to spell it out for you?
 
"If I advised them to follow Hillary Clinton’s lead, delete all your emails and then acid-wash your emails and hard drives on the phones, then take your phones and bash them with a hammer to little itsy bitsy pieces, use BleachBit, remove the sim cards and then take the pieces and hand them over to Robert Mueller,"

did that really happen? if so, was it during an ongoing investigation?
 
"If I advised them to follow Hillary Clinton’s lead, delete all your emails and then acid-wash your emails and hard drives on the phones, then take your phones and bash them with a hammer to little itsy bitsy pieces, use BleachBit, remove the sim cards and then take the pieces and hand them over to Robert Mueller,"

did that really happen? if so, was it during an ongoing investigation?


Hillary Phones - she had 11 of them of which 2 were turned over to the FBI, the rest was destroyed after she resigned as Sec of State
Hillary's Emails - I stand corrected Hillary emails were deleted after the supeona which triggered the FBI investigation into her missing emails as part of the Benghazi investigation

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-smash-phone-hammer/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ongress/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.78d4b158e847
 
Hillary Phones - she had 11 of them of which 2 were turned over to the FBI, the rest was destroyed after she resigned as Sec of State
Hillary's Emails - I stand corrected Hillary emails were deleted after the supeona which triggered the FBI investigation into her missing emails as part of the Benghazi investigation

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-smash-phone-hammer/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ongress/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.78d4b158e847
Then you acknowledge some of the felonies we know to have occurred. Each email is a separate crime and all that.

The point is the obvious, and odious, double standard.

J

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Then you acknowledge some of the felonies we know to have occurred. Each email is a separate crime and all that.
The point is the obvious, and odious, double standard. J

Double standards ? This ?

You do Remember that Comey re-opened Hillary email investigations during the election and then publicly announced it, while sitting on multiple FBI investigations into Trump associates right ?
You do know that 4 Americans just got killed in Africa under Trump and Republicans are doing jack [censored]
You do know that Kusher and other are using private emails to conduct government business while in the white house and Republicans are doing jack [censored]
 
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