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Hardest Wonder to Get?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Zaimejs, May 19, 2014.

  1. Vitruvius

    Vitruvius King

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    Notre Dame is possible as Assyria. Focus on lower techs and steal philosophy and education

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  2. Callonia

    Callonia Deity

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    great library
     
  3. Nick Carpathia

    Nick Carpathia Unleash the HAARP

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    I agree with Alambra and Colossus and Notre Dame, as no way am I going down those tech paths early.

    I've gotten Chichen Itza twice recently on Immortal, but then again, I was beelining CS right after Philosophy anyway. And I was Poland game #1, and found that 500g natural wonder in game #2. Save a few forests in your capital, and chop them in. I like to time my chops to arrive on the last turn of the wonder under construction.
     
  4. Mustakrakish

    Mustakrakish In 'Node' We Trust

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    I never want to see great wall.

    Seriously the ugliest, most annoying wonder in the game. I requested a mod that removes it, didn't get one. :(
     
  5. Myth and Legend

    Myth and Legend Prince

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    Deity:

    Nigh-on-impossible:

    Great Library, Notre Dame, Chichen Itza

    Very Hard:

    Stonehenge, Temle of Artemis, Mausoleum of Halicarnassus, Hanging Gardens, Terra Cotta Army, Himeji Castle, Leaning Tower of Pisa

    Hard but sometimes impossible with certain starts:

    Colossus, Petra, Parthenon, Globe Theatre, Sistine Chapel, Hagia Sophia, Borbodour, Machu Piccu

    Usually of regular difficulty but that makes it even more annoying when that one civ which prioritizes it ends up in your game:

    Great Lighthouse, Oracle, Pyramids, Great Mosque of Dijenne, Uffizi, Brandenburg Gate
     
  6. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    Just edit the game files? ^^

    Go to...
    SteamApps\common\Sid Meier's Civilization V\Assets\DLC\Expansion2\Gameplay\XML\Buildings.xml
    ..., create a backup, open the file with a text editor, search for GREAT_WALL and change the <PrereqTech> to TECH_FUTURE_TECH or something.
     
  7. Babri

    Babri Emperor

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    It is the best wonder if you want to turtle & defeat great armies with 2-3 archers max.
     
  8. budweiser

    budweiser King of the Beers

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    When peace is in effect, then the AI is free to do everything better than the human.

    The fact that we cannot get some wonders at all goes back to The Great Library being out of place. It was made in 300 BC not 3000 BC and it just perpetuates the issues with CI and ND, for example. Just play a few games and take note of who gets the GL and then watch what they do after that.

    Only by war does the human have the ability to alter the normal build flow of the peaceful AI. You have to break the rack, like in pool. It opens up the possibilities.

    On the other hand, maybe the answer is to take away ruins. This will keep them from getting writing so soon.
     
  9. jango76

    jango76 Chieftain

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    Deity players too! I suspect you're right and this is a big part of the story.

    There seem to be a large number of people who've somehow convinced themselves that to win on Deity you MUST go tradition and you MUST go tall and you MUST focus on food at all times and you MUST beeline science techs and you MUST work all your science specialists even if your city only has 7 pop and you MUST fill out Rationalism asap and ....

    For a long time the theory was that an Honor start wasn't viable, but Tradition and Liberty were OK. Now opinion has hardened even more, and lots of people seem to think Liberty isn't viable either.

    It's all nonsense. Deity gives you plenty of flexibility to adopt a wide variety of play styles if you want to experiment, more so than ever now that there's more consistency in the AI's approach to diplomacy and so many ways to leach science (trade routes, espionage, help from the WC). If you go through the game always taking the same tech path, it's not really surprising that wonders that aren't on your favorite beeline always seem to go a long time before you can build them!

    Even the fabled Great Library can be got on Deity. You need some luck, sure - a good start, early worker steal, some chopping and some help from the AI being a little slow off the mark - but it's definitely possible. In practise I can't imagine it ever being worth the risk (or the hammers, frankly, even if it were a sure thing - in the overall scheme of things it's really not the killer wonder as people make it out to be), but certainly not impossible.
     
  10. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    It's not so much about "viability", but more about efficiency. Deity isn't THAT hard when you know the game, so of course you can get away with other strategies, but on average their results will not be as good as a reasonably good executed Tradition-based run. (And they're much easier to execute) So most people do of course refer to those kind of games - that doesn't mean that these wonders can't be built by the player, but that it would just be very inefficient to beeline the techs needed and that the wonder usually can't be built if you follow an "efficient" path.

    Well, even if your starting location is nearly perfect you'll still lose the GL if a Civ that tries to build it has a reasonable starting location itself, which will probably be the case >95% of the time if you play with 7+ Civs. It might not be impossible, but it's so improbable that it's just not worth the risk.
     
  11. holywar

    holywar Chieftain

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    Alahambra. I've played a bunch and only have built it once, and I can't recall when. It has pretty awesome benefits. Besides +20% culture, all military units get the drill I promotion. Once you have an armory, you can build units which can automatically receive 3 rough terrain promotions, leaving them just one promotion away from some really nice upgrades like double attack. It's a shame it human players aren't able to build it more often.

    Great Library is not that hard to build with a good start if you focus on it .
     
  12. holywar

    holywar Chieftain

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    I wonder if you build Alhambra with Ethiopia will your Mehal Safaris come out with drill II....
     
  13. AW Arcaeca

    AW Arcaeca Deus Vult

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    Untested, but try this:

    EDIT: Attachment removed so I could post it somewhere else
     
  14. Mustakrakish

    Mustakrakish In 'Node' We Trust

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    I shall as soon as I'll boot up a new game, thanks.

    BTW is it at all possible (for capable nodders) to make it so it does no encircle your city or cities, but is place on your land borders, cost to cost, like it was in civ4, and not change positions on reload? I hate how it goes on the cost, completely encircling you...
     
  15. mclericp

    mclericp Warlord

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    great library

    dam mayans always get it first
     
  16. budweiser

    budweiser King of the Beers

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    Change the Great Library!

    Great Library is unlocked to any player that controls 2 capitals plus their own before the end of Medieval.
     
  17. Mustakrakish

    Mustakrakish In 'Node' We Trust

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    So one that got ahead, gets even more ahead?
     
  18. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    The hardest wonder to get is totally the Pyramids! :)

    Spoiler :
    really, the hardest is Alhambra. I dont see why AI's prioritize it, 20% culture and a "armory" for land melee units is not great. Also, the Pyramids are sometimes never built at all.
     
  19. Walter E Kurtz

    Walter E Kurtz Warlord

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    I find Petra especially hard, because it requires you to beeline to an awkward tech costing you in luxury techs and science development. Even with a caravan for added science chances are you'll get to currency too late and then miss the wonder by a few turns.
     
  20. Myth and Legend

    Myth and Legend Prince

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    It's funny that I've managed to get Hanging Gardens as Babylon 3 times in a row now. But only Babs has enough science to reliably reach the tech in time on Deity. I suspect that Babylon can somewhat beat the curve due to the amazing early academy. Sure, it won't really improve the times for the likes of Temple of Artemis or the Mausoleum, but wonders like HG, Petra, Colossus and the Parthenon can be obtained more reliably with that science boost.

    The Great Library is not a killer wonder, but if we could build it more reliably it would really improve certain strategies, like allowing human lead Maya to get one extra GP, or allowing a faster NC time in general to make the human come on par with the AI tech lead earlier.

    Oh, and Stonehenge is very hard to get without crippling yourself. Granted, I've gotten it with even the likes of England, but it requires early worker stealing, chopping, beelining Calendar when sometimes you don't need it and definitely some OP tiles like Salt or a plethora of wood to chop.
     

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