Has anyone thought of creating a clone with Unity?

Harry Tuttle

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$60! I'll pass for the time being. I think I'll work on a game plan this weekend instead. What would be the end goal, how the data should be set up, etc.
 

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unity is free right? So would it be easier to develop Civ2 from scratch using GameMaker (in case it was also free, which is sadly not)?

How about an OpenCiv2 project (like OpenXcom, OpenRA, OpenRCT2 and similarly CivONE)? Would this be easier to make? I am asking this because I have only basic programming knowledge.
 

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Unity is free. I'm not too familiar with GameMaker. I'll have to look closer at it. I haven't heard of CivOne but I'll give it a try. Civ1 was great. Thanks!

I'm not adverse to creating an open source project. I was planning on releasing everything anyways. I just don't want to get bogged down in license issues. I just want a game.
 

Harry Tuttle

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Well took a look at GameMaker tonight. It looks a bit antiquated in comparison to Unity, but it seems to fit the bill for the majority of what we need to do here. I'll keep researching.
 

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I made an isometric Civ-2 like grid with moving units in Gamemaker in less than 1 week. As someone with basic programming skills I found it to be a nice little tool.
But I can't talk about its complexities or how it compares to other stuff like Unity.
 

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That’s good to hear. Gamemaker seems to be an easy to use development platform and one of the best in the various comparisons I’ve seen for the type of game we want to make.

Alright, here are the goals of the project:

  • Develop a working prototype using GameMaker that resembles Civ 2: ToT in gameplay.
  • Build a core program around external inputs that will allow for easy manipulation of the components of the game, focusing on external graphic files, rules, map diagrams, events, descriptions, etc.
  • Create an easy to understand conversion system whereas Civ2:MGE and ToT scenarios can be made to work with the game.
  • Allow for scalability of the game contents so that the game can improve upon various aspects of the source material. For example, increase the number of slots for units, nations, tech advances, improvements, wonders, etc.
  • Provide a basis for future feature gameplay additions and an eventual re-creation in pure C++ language.
  • Keep the code as open source as possible within the bounds of the GameMaker terms and conditions to allow for collaboration, improvement, and input.
 

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I don't know anything about Gamemaker. But I could imagine how Unity would be better tool for this type of project. I think it has bigger user base and more tutorials/help can be found from the web.

CivII is such a nice classic game, so it would be cool to have better remake to be done, than what Freeciv really is.
 

Harry Tuttle

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I think I may be over complicating this. I have to track to values of the tiles, status of units, and other factors. The best way to do this would be a database. Also, since this is turn based, I don't need constant rendering and other resource intensive things.

Now this is going to sound crazy, especially to those not in my real line of work, but I think I have a much better way of handling this. I know of a program that is highly manipulative, easy to code with, and has been available for decades on most computers around the world. It handles a higher color palette than ToT.

I'm going to build this in MS Excel, using a simple MS Access link to handle the data. Excel can act as the GUI. I've already tested converting PNG graphics to CSV values. All I need is a VBA macro to covert the values into cell background fills. Hyperlinked areas can be used to define tiles for user input with defined naming. No compiling will be involved and it will be totally open to modification.

It's going to work.
 

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Nice to see you, Harry - I was looking at your scenarios on SL wiki just today, they are still spectacular...Especially "Hand of the the Reaper."

And the unity angle sounds interesting indeed...
After all this time it's great that we are still pushing the boundaries of the CIV2 spirit!
Please keep us posted of how you get on with this, and if it proves feasible, we are
sure we can pitch and do what we can to help out...
 

Harry Tuttle

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Thanks Curt. I'm surprised you liked Hand of the Reaper. To my knowledge no one bothered to play past the switchover to the main Nazi civ.
 

Harry Tuttle

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A little update on this. I've figured out how to do the graphics and almost have a decent way to import png data to csv. This means that current civ graphics can be defined and therefore duplicated as cell data in Excel without manual work. Next up I have to decide if I want to go the easy route and have static images for tile data (multiple images for each unit on terrain) or the hard route with dynamic images (layered images that use logic to assign precedence, aka units over terrain).
 

Can Not

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Any progress on this? Also, If anyone's interested in making a Civ V clone PM me.
 
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