Has Microsoft stumbled?

[Archbob]

You never have to look at Metro, the appearance is identical to Win 7 if you don't open Metro.

The UI is the new one by default. The default boot screen looks quite different from Win 7.

This does not look like Win 7, it looks like a crappy patchwork quilt.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

So you shut down your computer instead of letting it hibernate or sleep? And if you do, it's really that much of a hassle to hit the Windows key?

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

People are now openly blaming Windows 8 for hurting PC sales. People do not like change. While other versions of Windows have struggled, Windows 8 is doing worse then Microsoft's other big failure, Vista. Another failure from MS that comes to mind is Windows ME.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-IDC-Decline-PC-Sales-Jun-Dong-soo,21439.html

http://newyork.newsday.com/business/technology/windows-8-failure-blamed-for-pc-sales-drop-1.5047571

The failure of Windows 8 is making Vista look like XP by comparison. Mark my words, Windows 8 will be an even bigger failure then Vista, maybe even worse then ME.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I like change. Does that mean people like change?

 

[Archbob]

I like change. Does that mean people like change?

Some changes people like, this Windows 8 change, not that many people like. Its going to continue failing until MS realizes that it sucked.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

Some changes people like, this Windows 8 change, not that many people like. Its going to continue failing until MS realizes that it sucked.

My thoughts exactly. Windows 8 has generally not been well received. If PC sales keep falling manufacturers could start shipping PCs with Windows 7 again. Like what happened with Vista and XP.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Some changes people like, this Windows 8 change, not that many people like. Its going to continue failing until MS realizes that it sucked.

You missed the point of that post.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

You missed the point of that post.

I think you are failing to see the point we are making.

 

[God of Kings]

Yes, ever since Windows 8 has been released, there is quite an upsurge on Mac sales as well (and I am partly contributing to this shift). Bad news for Windows 8 is good news for the Mac, especially with how Microsoft forced over 90% of new PCs to have Windows 8.

Yes, many have downgraded to Windows 7, but there are some looking for a third option.

 

[Zelig]

That probably the most critical part, if users have a bad experience with it, they're not going to buy it or they'll downgrade from it. The appearance may be the most important thing in an OS and most people don't like Win 8's appearance. Its plain clunky and blocky and the absence of a start button makes things harder because most people don't type in the program name they wish to run. It makes doing things harder, less intuitive and slower. You don't seem to understand the Windows User Base.

The main reason I don't like Mac is because the UI also. Funtionally, its fine(aside from some program not being written for Mac), but I won't get it because of the UI. The UI and appearance makes or breaks an OS Zelig, and Win 8's new UI has broken it with customers.

Well that's clearly not the case: http://www.zdnet.com/just-how-much-do-people-hate-windows-8-7000013319/?s_cid=e539

My thoughts exactly. Windows 8 has generally not been well received. If PC sales keep falling manufacturers could start shipping PCs with Windows 7 again. Like what happened with Vista and XP.

Yeah, I remember the terrible reception XP got when it was released, and how slow the uptake was.

Yes, ever since Windows 8 has been released, there is quite an upsurge on Mac sales as well.

I'm pretty sure this is not true.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I think you are failing to see the point we are making.

You're point is simply: I hate Metro, it's ugly and other people think so too so Win 8 is going to fail. I disagree and you've yet to show any facts to base this on. Everything you've stated thus far has been refuted but you just post it again. What else am I missing?

 

[Archbob]

You're point is simply: I hate Metro, it's ugly and other people think so too so Win 8 is going to fail. I disagree and you've yet to show any facts to base this on. Everything you've stated thus far has been refuted but you just post it again. What else am I missing?

http://www.zdnet.com/just-how-much-d...19/?s_cid=e539

Just go look at sales and adoption numbers. You can't nearly blame all of that on downward trends in PC sales. MS even tried to sell this crap at $30 and still no one bought it. The numbers clearly show that Win 8 is failing and you can't refute that.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

Just go look at sales and adoption numbers. You can't nearly blame all of that on downward trends in PC sales. MS even tried to sell this crap at $30 and still no one bought it. The numbers clearly show that Win 8 is failing and you can't refute that.

Exactly, compared with the adaption rates of Windows 7 or even Vista Windows 8 is doing terribly. That is even with MS giving it such a cheap price for upgrading at launch. This should tell you something. People do not want Windows 8 because despite having some other strengths Metro UI and the lack of a start menu ruins it for a lot of us. The stat screen is very intrusive and annoying when you trying to multitask. They could have made a full screen start menu back when they made Windows 95, but they choose not to for this very reason. As for keyboard shortcuts, that is almost like going back to DOS. I would rather click/scroll around the screen using my mouse.

Microsoft can still make a recovery from the failure of Windows 8. When they work on Windows 9 bring back the start menu, downplay Metro heavily, making it much easier to avoid or just get rid of it on PCs. Do that and Windows 9 will be a runaway success. Windows 8 is a failed experiment.

 

[Mr.WorldWide]

Ah yes, change.

The irresolute masses worship at the alter of change.

Change was campaign platform for the 2008 US presidential election. Hope and change. What has all that hope and change done for you? The economy tanked, inflation is way up and the unemployment rate is much higher than it way 4 years ago. That's change we can believe in

So yes, I tend to be skeptical of change because change simply for the sake of change is not productive or cost effective. Windows 8 is that change, it a desperate product to make M$'s OS different from their previous line.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

Ah yes, change.

The irresolute masses worship at the alter of change.

Change was campaign platform for the 2008 US presidential election. Hope and change. What has all that hope and change done for you? The economy tanked, inflation is way up and the unemployment rate is much higher than it way 4 years ago. That's change we can believe in

So yes, I tend to be skeptical of change because change simply for the sake of change is not productive or cost effective. Windows 8 is that change, it a desperate product to make M$'s OS different from their previous line.

Change for the sake of changing stuff is rarely good. No one wanted something like Metro or a replacement of the Start Menu. Hopefully Microsoft comes to there senses because of Windows 8 failing and stops trying to force Metro on everyone.

 

[Zelig]

Just go look at sales and adoption numbers. You can't nearly blame all of that on downward trends in PC sales.

Sure I can, combined with enterprise customers being exceptionally slow and upgrading systems.

But I don't really care about sales, as I've pointed out, they're not particularly related to OS quality. Windows 8 has already passed the most recent version of Mac OS in market share, they're both great operating systems, but by your logic the latest release of Mac OS must be a catastrophic failure.

Exactly, compared with the adaption rates of Windows 7 or even Vista Windows 8 is doing terribly. That is even with MS giving it such a cheap price for upgrading at launch. This should tell you something. People do not want Windows 8 because despite having some other strengths Metro UI and the lack of a start menu ruins it for a lot of us. The stat screen is very intrusive and annoying when you trying to multitask. They could have made a full screen start menu back when they made Windows 95, but they choose not to for this very reason. As for keyboard shortcuts, that is almost like going back to DOS. I would rather click/scroll around the screen using my mouse.

Microsoft can still make a recovery from the failure of Windows 8. When they work on Windows 9 bring back the start menu, downplay Metro heavily, making it much easier to avoid or just get rid of it on PCs. Do that and Windows 9 will be a runaway success. Windows 8 is a failed experiment.

Still can't point out any actual usage problem with Windows 8.

So yes, I tend to be skeptical of change because change simply for the sake of change is not productive or cost effective. Windows 8 is that change, it a desperate product to make M$'s OS different from their previous line.

Windows 8 doesn't even change much though.

Seriously, I use Windows 8 exactly the same way as I use Windows 7. What do you expect me to do differently?

 

[Archbob]

Sure I can, combined with enterprise customers being exceptionally slow and upgrading systems.

But I don't really care about sales, as I've pointed out, they're not particularly related to OS quality. Windows 8 has already passed the most recent version of Mac OS in market share, they're both great operating systems, but by your logic the latest release of Mac OS must be a catastrophic failure.

Then your just delusional or a rabid windows fanboy. A 15% drop in sales of PC does not translate to a 70% drop in Windows 8 adoption over Window 7. Add in the fact that MS tried to sale this thing at $30 and still it wouldn't sell. Enterprise customers have always been slow to adopt, its no different from when 7 was released. Many of them are still on XP and haven't changed to 7. Your excuses for why Windows 8 is failing in adoption and sales just don't add up.

By MS adoption standards the latest release of Mac OS would be a total failure if it was an MS Operating system. Apple is a niche OS, Windows isn't. The success and failure of an OS is dependent on its sales and adoption rates, not what a few people like you or I think about it. And as sales and adoption has shown, it sucks.

 

[Zelig]

Then your just delusional or a rabid windows fanboy. A 15% drop in sales of PC does not translate to a 70% drop in Windows 8 adoption over Window 7. Add in the fact that MS tried to sale this thing at $30 and still it wouldn't sell. Enterprise customers have always been slow to adopt, its no different from when 7 was released. Many of them are still on XP and haven't changed to 7. Your excuses for why Windows 8 is failing in adoption and sales just don't add up.

By MS adoption standards the latest release of Mac OS would be a total failure if it was an MS Operating system. Apple is a niche OS, Windows isn't. The success and failure of an OS is dependent on its sales and adoption rates, not what a few people like you or I think about it. And as sales and adoption has shown, it sucks.

I've already addressed all of this, and you aren't able to point to any actual usage problems with Windows 8 compared to Windows 7.

 

[Mr.WorldWide]

What were the usage problems with Windows 7 compared to Windows 8?

 

[Zelig]

What were the usage problems with Windows 7 compared to Windows 8?

Multimonitor support is much improved.

Task manager and file copying are better.

Otherwise the experience is pretty much equivalent.