Has the US gone into full psycho mode? Rittenhouse spree killings

[Kyriakos]

This is about the new crap, with the self-styled militia/gunmen who shot people because they were rioting, and which is just freakish. They should have been disowned by all political parties, but apparently they are spoken positively of by main republicans. How can one say the shooter was defending private property, when he was from a different state? It wasn't his property, it wasn't even his stupid city.

This shooter should be thrown in jail forever, clearly he is a danger for the public.

How can some people defend him, saying that he did good to kill a protestor for rioting? Let alone his rambo garbage during which he shot a number of others.
If you accept he had the right to shoot to kill just to protect random "private property" with no ties to him, you open a loophole which will allow many more psychos to attend such riots just to legally kill.

Do note that if such a thing had happened in any Eu country, the gunman would never have the support of a major political party. (well, at least I have to suppose he would not...)

 

[cardgame]

Break the law by crossing state lines with a weapon you shouldn't have, open carry that weapon despite that being illegal, shoot at least four people, walk/run toward police while fidgeting with your gun and not even get arrested until the next day(?). And now hailed as a hero by the "law-and-order" Republicans. But white privilege doesn't real.

 

[Kyriakos]

Please don't turn this into a white privilege issue. Yes, if he was black the police would have killed him 10 times by now. But this is hardly the main thing in this case
The defining trait here isn't he is white, but that he is a dangerous psycho, and more alarmingly that so many republican politicians/supporters are in favor of this dangerous piece of trash

 

[Farm Boy]

Should we have killed him? Arrest him again for good measure? Kill him now? Have him assraped in juvie?

 

[Kyriakos]

Should we have killed him? Arrest him again for good measure? Kill him now? Have him assraped in prison?

There is no trial yet. I wrote that the problem here is that so many republican politicians/pundits/supporters are vocally in favor of this psycho.
You can't have self-styled militia gunning people down just cause they feel like it. That isn't heroic, it is in fact a good cover story for someone itching to kill and hopefully try to not do much time for it.

 

[Farm Boy]

Those sound like idiots getting hateclicks and haterclicks.

Biggest threat now is copycats during the pestilent times. Time for justice to grind him fine and boring. No?

Then again, it might be hard to copy cat being a dipshit, trying to run away, then having to shoot your way out of getting beat up while carrying a long gun.

 

[Kyriakos]

Those sound like idiots getting hateclicks and haterclicks.

Biggest threat now is copycats during the pestilent times. Time for justice to grind him fine and boring. No?

In one video I saw the claim (which may be false...) that this shooter's lawyer or firm is the same representing that maga hat boy. If so, the message is rather vile, and very dangerous.

 

[Farm Boy]

What message are you implying that may or may not be false? I'm not following that post at all.

 

[Zkribbler]

the self-styled militia/gunmen who shot people because they were rioting,

not so much rioting as peacefully protesting.

 

[Kyriakos]

What message are you implying that may or may not be false? I'm not following that post at all.

I read the claim, in a comment in one of the news videos at youtube, that the lawyer (or firm) representing Rittenhouse is the same representing the maga-hat boy. If that is actually true, it is beyond vile.

not so much rioting as peacefully protesting.

Yes. Imo even if they were rioting, that isn't an excuse to murder someone. Besides, who made this idiot the law?

 

[Farm Boy]

Ok, a youtube comment claim.

So if it's true, what specifically is the vile implication you see beyond the pale in a PR firm going after media coverage? I mean, let's be trite because easy. Robert Shapiro does the job you expect Robert Shapiro to do. No?

So you have footage of some idiot kid on the street in a situation that was very illegal, massively stupid, and beyond irresponsible for him to have put himself in the first place. You have him fleeing an angry crowd and killing his way out of it. If you've got spin doctors being uniquely terrible in this situation, should we just have him killed in juvenile detention? He'll get boring faster if people get bored of him enough that the PR firm doesn't have good purchase to pick at.

 

[Kyriakos]

Ok, a youtube comment claim.

So if it's true, what specifically is the vile implication you see beyond the pale in a PR firm going after media coverage? I mean, let's be trite because easy. Robert Shapiro does the job you expect Robert Shapiro to do. No?

The dangerous insinuation is that maga hat boy = psycho shooter boy = any republican will do. I don't wish to think of all republicans as a murderous block.
If that maga hat boy is somewhat non-brainwashed he should choose another lawyer - assuming the claim is true, again, and it is the same one now representing psycho-shooter boy.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Please don't turn this into a white privilege issue. Yes, if he was black the police would have killed him 10 times by now. But this is hardly the main thing in this case
The defining trait here isn't he is white, but that he is a dangerous psycho, and more alarmingly that so many republican politicians/supporters are in favor of this dangerous piece of trash

I don't know if it can be separated from a "white privilege issue," though I appreciate that you want to look at it from the angle you are taking which is objectively correct. The problem is that what the protests are about in the first place is in fact totally rooted in white privilege, and this nutbag's involvement is almost certainly driven by his own racially motivated issues, and the fact it did not turn out to be a suicide mission is almost certainly due to his skin color, and the only reason he is being lauded as a hero by Trump et al is because they value their political alliance with the white nationalist movement. No amount of desire to separate this guy as "just a nutbag, not representative of racial tensions" can possibly work.

Good to see you btw Kyr.

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, then don't equate a PR firm with me, then? They're a step down from lawyers. Lawyers at least have a somewhat stringent set of rules they can be disbarred for breaking until they get elected to office. They also have a purpose in keeping society from degenerating into people shooting each other on the street and destroying the cities, usually. Shapiro isn't all black people, though the OJ trial certainly took place in a specific racial atmosphere.

 

[tetley]

The U.S. has gone in full fascist mode, complete with its own Hitler, racists, even concentration camps for the Mexicans. What I find most disturbing is not even that Hitler rose to power--it's that so many of the people support that. They insist that life is wonderful in Nazi Germany--from behind their facemasks that they're not wearing.

 

[Farm Boy]

I guess the spin on this is weird. The militias should probably be forced off the street by the state. The groups of armed people lighting the town on fire should probably be forced off the street by the state. Looks like that's happened while protests themselves are ongoing. Probably an on purpose deployment of the national guard.

 

[cardgame]

Should we have killed him? Arrest him again for good measure? Kill him now? Have him assraped in juvie?

According to the Republican motto and gun nut ideology he should have been gunned down by the protester with a handgun. I'm not entirely sure why that didn't happen, to be honest. Feeling merciful? Brought a gun for bravado but not actually brave enough to use it? Of course a couple minutes of video is hardly the situation on the ground, maybe there was a good reason.

 

[Farm Boy]

Maybe there was. I'm not going to extend anything being a good reason by assumption. No good reason for the pudgy kid with the rifle to be there. No good reason to have your waist cannon out while the city is getting smashed up. No good reason to be chasing a guy with rifle down the street trying to punch him. No good reason for any of this seems plausible. But maybe. It's possible.

Edit: most people don't kill from the get go. They blunt force, or run. Psychos and fear kills, along with love.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Whole thing is stupid and sad. Rittenhouse was probably looking for trouble and he found it, but the facts don't support murder. He was under extremely credible threat, and each of the people he shot were provably chasing and assaulting him. That does not even appear to be in dispute, since the prosecution itself details that the people who got shot were pursuing and threatening Rittenhouse (including a loud bang before Rittenhouse shot anybody). One of the people he shot later was pointing a gun at his face. That's not what murder looks like, and in prosecuting him it's asking for failure to charge murder. Even the first guy shot was trying to take the weapon according to witnesses...

Murder won't stick, because this was not murder. I'd be surprised if even manslaughter sticks given the facts. He will probably see consequences for possessing the weapon illegally, and perhaps we'll get more than the video footage and the prosecution's writeup as the case moves forward.

 

[cardgame]

That chase scene just spontaneously happened with no reason, then? @TheMeInTeam