Hi, old-time Civ player here (since III). I see a lot of players here saying they play on Diety like that's to be expected, and complaining about how easy the game is, and I'd like to ask you a simple question: Are you crazy? Diety is terrible. Yes, I can win Immortal, and after a while even stop thinking about it and cruise to victory. But when I play Diety, this is what happens in every game: I explore the map and find myself next to Australia. By the time I make four units, Curtin has three cities, is in the late classical era, declares a surprise war against me, I go into a dark age, and he takes my city with a single galley. ONE GALLEY. That's a challenge, I suppose, in the way that watching the Star Wars Christmas Special is a challenge. In the way that stubbing your toe on a rusty heroin needle is a challenge. In the way that finding out your girlfriend likes Nickelback is a challenge. Diety isn't a fun mode. You have to focus maniacally on early war to maybe survive the "surprise" war your neighbors will immediately launch upon you. It's not "harder" in the sense that it tests your knowledge of the game, but rather in a random "survive depending on your spawn location" sense. To make the game stay interesting, I play huge maps with lots of leaders on Epic or Marathon. I don't play diety because diety is an exercise in frustration, and that's not what games are for.