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Have you played without Warmongering or exploiting City States?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by No_such_reality, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. No_such_reality

    No_such_reality Chieftain

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    I curious if people have been successfully playing CiV without warmongering, or falling back on war to control a runaway civ, or exploiting city states.

    Since the AI is fairly easy to beat tactically, I've been trying to play culture or science games and do it without initiating war or leveraging city states excessively (only using one or two and not following an ICS and bribing every other city state.

    Instead of playing on deity and winning, at the moment, on Prince going for culture victory with France, I am in 2nd place in the 1500s. Augustus is about 20% larger than me and absorbed about half of each of his neighbors. He has not taken their capital though. I should admit, to tone down the warmonger AI, I disabled the domination victory condition. Play huge map, max AI & city states.

    Sadly, I'm only 1/3rd of the way through renaissance era and and Augustus is already in the Industrial era and I note has several rifleman units already. I admit I've been relatively inefficient, since I've been focusing on Culture, I apparently have been teching slow, chalk that up to too much wonder building for the culture and setting cities to production focus.

    Anyway, many mistakes at this low level game, in part because on the tone done, I've gone wonder mad trying to crank up the culture.

    So, I'd like to hear the stories, strategies people have used on the vanilla game, or if you're using a different mod that too just call it out, of how you've done the culture, or science victories without using preemptive war to neuter the AI or ICSing and then gold bribing city states into carrying your civilization?
     
  2. midn8t

    midn8t The Sundance Dog

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    Nope me and my friends have actully never won game with out conquest of the world civ 5 is about turn based combat not really about much of anything elese.

    when I say that I mean thats where game shines in the combat it does not really shine bright with any othere feature.

    and when i say me and my freinds i mean 5 of us who bought it we do not play mutiplayer we save mutiplayer pleasure for civ 4 civ 5 mutiplayer is broken as far as we are concern.

    as for mods are there any mods for civ 5 I have not seen any on this web page compared to civ4, which had mods out with in like month or two of the game release.
    I dont bother having more then 4 citys after all more citys you have more your people do not like you, just becuae you have more citys.

    so when i say we play combat i mean we play genocide only.
     
  3. Dermo

    Dermo Warlord

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    I've won a couple game via Science (as Babylonians, and Iroquios), and completed a cultural victory as India (going for Bollywood achievement so I only built 3 cities) Any other time I've played with the intention of going for culture or science victory I find the end game gets boring and I either switch to a conquest victory or just give up on the game :sad:
     
  4. Bat-LB

    Bat-LB Chieftain

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    I actually won around 30 Games in CiV yet and only one of them is conquere.

    most is time win or utopia (culture)

    its not a big deal. depends on the starting area (much production? or much food? sea, rivers?) and on the first worldwonders (stonehenge? without stonehenge im not going for culture)
     
  5. Supr49er

    Supr49er 2011 Thunderfall Cup

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    I have tried a King game with NO City States at all. It was pretty tough.
     
  6. manu-fan

    manu-fan Emperor

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    If by 'not exploiting City States' you mean just not bribing them for a Diplomacy win, then I've done that in all my games.

    Haven't done 'no warmongering' though. That's the part of the game I enjoy the most.

    Cheers.
     
  7. No_such_reality

    No_such_reality Chieftain

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    By exploiting the city states, I meant using them as coin operated vending machines for food and culture. Exploiting being using more than a couple as allies.

    It seems ICS and city-state exploiting going hand in hand. Using several city states to supply the food and focus on specialists. Or going for a culture win, paying the culture states and getting 12 culture points/turn each.

    How difficult is cultural without leveraging multiple cultural city states?

    Can you maintain a science victory without doing ICS and using maritime city states to let you create librarian specialists all over? That's what I mean by exploiting.

    I've played games with no city states and it's a very different game. City States in game seem to be akin to athletes and steroids.
     
  8. Yzman

    Yzman Deity

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    Science victory and even cultural are easy without using any city states. I have done so numerous times.
     
  9. No_such_reality

    No_such_reality Chieftain

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    Yes, but have you done it without warmongering? Without neutering a tactically combat inept AI?

    How did you do it? large civilization, small civilization?
     
  10. manu-fan

    manu-fan Emperor

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    Well, I play my games in Civ iV style.

    I settle cities a little way a way from each other and look for the 'best spots'. I do ally with City States, but don't limit my city growth, and just focus on happiness. I expand, build an army and take out my closest neighbor.

    So, basically, I don't exploit the City states so I can run Science specialists and slingshot techs, or save up all the culture for lots of Policies at once. I also mix some wonders in with my expansion and warmongering.

    Cheers.
     
  11. No_such_reality

    No_such_reality Chieftain

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    That's similar to what I'm trying out. Basically seeing how the game plays if I stop exploiting what seem, IMHO, to be two items that are broken (AI combat and city states) that create an overpower situation.
     
  12. Varanid

    Varanid Warlord

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    Hm. I rarely take a domination victory; most of mine are cultural or scientific. But I do ally with city states, particularly ones nearby. And as for war...eh. If someone's making trouble for me I'll fight them and I won't stop till they're neutered for the rest of the game.
     
  13. Mad Hab

    Mad Hab Warlord

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    It seems to me that the whole point of Cultural City-States is to make cultural victories more viable. Why should I spend big bucks on them if culture is secondary to my strategy?

    Cheers,

    Mad Hab
     
  14. Gath

    Gath Warlord

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    Playing without city states or warmongering. . . exactly what is left to DO?
     
  15. EasyGoin

    EasyGoin Chieftain

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    Think just about anyone who has done an OCC has played without these aspects. You're too poor to abuse CSs and too poor to maintain a large army.
     
  16. kossmikman

    kossmikman Chieftain

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    ICS and maritime city-states do go well together, but you can ICS without them, it's just a bit less profitable.
     
  17. atteSmythe

    atteSmythe Warlord

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    I've tried to play without warmongering, but failed. I had to go to war to stop Hiawatha from building a spaceship, and then the game started crashing after a certain turn, reliably, so I couldn't finish my cultural victory. Teaches me to try something new. War it is!
     
  18. ZhugeTien

    ZhugeTien Enlightened Despot

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    2 China science victories on custom earth maps (one on Rhye's converted, one on Shigg's) at King and Emperor levels. I had middle to large-sized empires (I'm China after all), but all cities were large population relative to the rest of the world. The cities are typically 4 hexes apart and in what I deemed to be historically/map-valid locations. Quite enjoyable without metagaming.

    Both games involved building all three Chinese wonders. I paid off Cuzco and Sydney in the late game with the second one, since I'd settled Australia almost entirely, and Cuzco had some luxuries that weren't easy to trade for with my few allies.

    So, yes, I've been able to win without exploiting city-states and without relying on war. Sure, I had to eliminate Siam in the second game, but the idiot wouldn't stop settling near me and generally being a pain. Russia and France (who exceeded me in score right up until I won the game) still couldn't tech as fast, even with the AI cheats.

    The game is great as it is, and it's only going to become greater.
     
  19. Warspite2

    Warspite2 Prince

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    I very rarely play a warmongering game unless I am forced into a major war. Most of the time I play for science, diplomatic or cultural victories. I have not won a cultural vic yet. I do friend and ally CS rather then invade them since the benefits are very rewarding to ally them if you have the money.
     
  20. JoxerNL

    JoxerNL Warlord

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    Yup!
    My Ghandi Bollywood game.
    Was quite a slogg too especially as the lesser friendly civs started growing upto the critical mass size.

    But finished it without war and not abbusing citystates.
     

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