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have you seen a city flip?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Sal, Aug 2, 2013.

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Have you seen a city flip?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. njmfff

    njmfff Prince

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    Happen only in one of my games, I got three of German cities due to revolution (he went Order, I went Freedom with massive tourism\culture).

    After that, not even once in any of the other games. :(
     
  2. Yrrebnot

    Yrrebnot Chieftain

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    Man you beat me too it reminds me of the unhappy freedom thread, i just wanted to facepalm.

    Also i have had one city flip too me was playing as venice so auto puppeted it and since it was a border city i just kept it, i did note that there was no diplo hit and i think that is a little odd but meh, we had joined together to destroy someone in the past so i doubt he was going to start hating on me anyway, managed to win a culture victory about a turn after i threw a diplo win out LOL
     
  3. steveg700

    steveg700 Deity

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    So, do we know why a certain city flips and who gets it?

    I mean, I've never gotten a flipped city, even when I was the guys generating 90% of the pressure.
     
  4. ahawk

    ahawk King

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    Generally, I see it say "So-and-so's people have forced a revolt" and the AI switches ideologies. I'm pretty sure I've not seen a city flip yet. Not 100% positive, but usually I see ideologies switch before cities would flip. I imagine the only time we'd likely see city-flipping is when an AI has lots of cities and won't mind the smaller, less-built-up ones flipping.
     
  5. steveg700

    steveg700 Deity

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    I've seen a civ dig in so deep it let every city other than its capital flip. They were in a deep hole culturally, so they probably had no way out regardless of what ideology they switched to.

    Also, I think civ's will try to stick it out if they're building one of the ideology wonders.
     
  6. WC4J

    WC4J Chieftain

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    Example: The Saar plebiscite of 1935 and the Anschluss of Austria in 1938

    In both instances, Hitler's Germany acquired territory with popular support from the people in the respective regions, as a result of Hitler's cult of personality and Nazi Germany's sudden surge to power (attributed by many to the power of their ideology).

    The people of the Saar and Austria were NOT thinking of what would come with the Gestapo, concentration camps, and decimation of future war when they sealed their fate with Nazi Germany.
     
  7. sanddemon

    sanddemon Chieftain

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    I was winning pretty handily in a ideology push (3 torches against 1) for Japan, and they were losing a war versus another Civilization...and instead of dying to Rome, because of huge unhappiness they revolted and BOTH of their last cities flipped to me instantly - Japan basically forfeited and gave me their capitol and second city.

    I suddenly jumped like 400 points because of him being a wonder spammer... I was kind of blown away and ever since have always gone ideology :)
     
  8. Sal

    Sal Warlord

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    It seems to be about 50/50 so far, which suggests it is built into the game as a very rare event. I have to say although I like the idea, what people are saying about the uselessness of the cities they get, and how rare it is, makes me wonder what the point is. I think a more realistic and more enjoyable mechanic would be if some of a deeply unhappy civ's cities (maybe thhe ones furthest from the capital) declared independence and became a new civ following their chosen ideology. This would reflect world history. Although the USA was inspired by the French revolution, they didn't revolt and join France, they just became their own nation following the "freedom" ideology.

    This would not be entirely new, as a previous iteration of Civ (I can't remember which) had civil wars that split you empire when unhappiness was too great.
     
  9. NukeAJS

    NukeAJS King

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    I flipped four Mayan cities in the same game. Turn after turn after turn after turn.

    At first I got him into -18 overall happiness but then barbs must have spawned and started pillaging his luxuries because nothing changed (same pressure on him -- three icons) but his overall happiness plummeted to -35ish or something and his cities started flipping.
     
  10. spfun

    spfun King

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    Hmm after 18 complete immortal/deity games, many of these with massive culture/tourism I've never seen or had a city flip.
     
  11. Rathelon

    Rathelon Prince

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    I had a Russian city flip to me in one game. It was on another continent, so I sold it to the guy he was at war with, and he razed it. Heh
     
  12. Gothic_Empire

    Gothic_Empire AKA, Ramen Empire

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    Yep. The US has a several political parties--The Tea Party being one of the most notable--that are essentially baying for autocratic, theocratic dictatorship.
     
  13. Bakspatel

    Bakspatel Prince

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    I've seen it in two games. One was a city from the Huns, the other game Carthage went on a stubborn mood. Dido refused to change ideology and was plagued with constant city losing and rebellions. I ended up getting four cities, two I received twice. I tried selling them back as I had no interest in keeping those cities but after selling one city it just came back after three rounds.
     
  14. sherbz

    sherbz Emperor

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    I had 3 of Shaka's cities flip to me when i was playing Assyria. One of them was Bulawayo as well. We were at war though, so i got a good 2 turns of razing in and i stole his great works :)
     
  15. Xyuta

    Xyuta Chieftain

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    Stole one from Gustave, he was at war with attila who was a good friend of mine, it was a big city located on the bottleneck that attila had to cross to get to sweden.

    The city was on the other side of the world for me, so i thought i'll sell the building inside And then sell it, next turn attila DOWed me, took the city and razed it.

    After a few turns we made peace And we were back to friend, no hard feelings on either side.
     
  16. steveg700

    steveg700 Deity

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    Yep. And at the other end of the spectrum we have parties that are selling a socialist nannystate.
     
  17. MattZed

    MattZed Warlord

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    I've seen a whole empire flip. For whatever reason, the Huns would not change ideologies, and all of their cities except Attila's Court flipped to me.
     
  18. earthwulf

    earthwulf Warlord

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    I've only seen 'em flip from one AI to another...
     
  19. WC4J

    WC4J Chieftain

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    :goodjob:

    It's always the "right-wing conservatives" who are to blame. As a frightened youth in American society, I'm shocked by the amount of propaganda the left places upon the right. You can hear it in popular music even, now. And too many of my peers could just care less about politics. They're too busy being entertained by music concerts and illegal activities. It's a perfect recipe for a general lack of appreciation for democracy, commonplace after World War I and before Hitler came to power. If democracy can't solve a crippling economy right, "why not" try authoritarianism, right? Right.

    To stay on topic Moderator Action: Yes, please do that, no more purely political posts please! , no, I have never seen a city flip (though I've only played up to King difficulty). I've seen -10 happiness as the lowest.
     
  20. ahawk

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    Okay, I now have seen a city flip. Last night, was playing as Brazil, and toward the last few turns in which I was guaranteed a Culture Victory, a Danish city flipped (and it was a big one, actually, since it was the Songhai former capital that Denmark had captured much earlier).

    But it was only under the most extreme circumstances: I was Brazil, had my UI built in a good number of tiles, had Uffizi, Globe Theater, Broadway, Eiffel Tower, Sistine Chapel, and Freedom basically completely full of tenets, and to top it off, I had researched the Internet, built the National Visitor Center, and popped a Great Artist for the Carnival Bonus. Even further, Denmark had a lot of cities. This was on Emperor.

    I play on Emperor, Immortal, and very rarely, Deity. At these levels, the AI gets just too much happiness to see enough unhappiness from ideology: I was absolutely crushing a cultural victory in this game (being Brazil and all), and it wasn't until the last ten turns when I was about to win anyway that finally one city flipped from Denmark.

    The only things I really was missing were International Games (I proposed it several times but somehow it never won the vote) and the Louvre (I'd gone straight from Aesthetics to my Ideology, and didn't bother opening Exploration since I wasn't going to get a GE in time).

    Long story short, on Emperor and up, city-flipping is nothing I'm going to count on.
     

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