Hawk02-Japan The 5 Sacred Cities

[choxorn]

Roster:

Hawk: Just Played
Overseer: UP
Killerkid: On Deck
Choxorn: In Da Hole

 

[TheOverseer714]

Downloaded the save, will play tonight. I doubt I will start any wars, since we are in the homestretch, but I won't be a wimp either. Not going to tolerate arrogant AI's making demands. Ready to put this one to bed.

 

[TheOverseer714]

I finished my boring turn-set, but some times, boring is good. Here is the turn-log:

Spoiler :

Pre-flight: CivAssist 2, Word running. Get the save loaded. Look things over.
Set up a “peace border” to keep foreign troops in safe zones.

Non-Combat:
Workers 0 Slaves 122
Military:
Cavalry 16
Infantry 18
Tanks 24
Artillery 24
Ironclad 1
Galleon 1
Privateer 1
Destroyer 1
Bombers 4
Army 1
Guerilla 1

Hit enter=>

IBT: Peace border working, American stack backs up.
Osaka Bomber=> Bomber.
Satsuma Infantry=>Infantry.

1782 AD: Disband regular Infantry.

IBT: Greece and China sign peace treaty.
Kagoshima Infantry=>Tank.
Osaka Infantry=>Infantry.
Tokyo Infantry=>Tank.

1784 AD: Disband another regular Infantry.

IBT: America and Spain sign peace treaty.
Osaka Infantry=>Infantry.

1786 AD: Block the choke off, unwanted visitors almost all gone.
Tech slider to 60%, get Computers next turn at +182gpt.

IBT: Renew Spices deal, boy is Abe unhappy!
We get Computers, next is Fission.
Kagoshima Tank => Mech Infantry.
Kyoto Military Academy=>Research Lab.
Tokyo Tank=>Mech Infantry.
Satsuma Bomber=> Mech Infantry.
We lose the Rubber and Ivory.

1788 AD: I trade Radio to Greece for Rubber, Gems, and 126 gpt.
Use a slave to create an Ivory colony.
Begin Upgrading Infantry units to Mech Infantry.

IBT: Osaka Mech Infantry=>Tank.

1790 AD: Finish Peace Border. No RoP-rape possible now.

Non-Combat:
Workers 0 Slaves 121
Military:
Cavalry 16
Infantry 14
Tanks 26
Artillery 24
Ironclad 1
Galleon 1
Destroyer 1
Army 1, 3 tanks
Bombers 6
Privateer 1
Guerilla 1

The save:

 

[killerkid]

OK, I got it. However I can't play for about 24 hours, so if anyone can take it before then, go ahead.

 

[killerkid]

OK I'm done. My set was not boring-Egypt demanded Amphibious War, and I said no. They DoWed us, being the stupidest move of their lives.
We lost 5 units-They lost 33 and 12 cities.

Their remaining 3 cities should bite the dust next turn.

Also, Kyoto now has a Research Lab and Seti Program (Rushed by a MGL)
We also have another MGL sitting in Kyoto waiting for something to do.

The set:

Spoiler :

Turn 0-I decide to change all cities to building Research Labs. It's not like we need anymore troops.

IBT-ZZZZ


Turn 1-1792 AD-Fortify some mechs.

IBT-Egypt wants Amphibious war. I say no, and they DoW us. WHat the Heck? However, their massive attack is a whopping one cav losing to one of our cavs we have on the border. (1-0) Tokyo Lab>Tank

Turn 2-1794 AD-I establish a RoP with Korea for 100 gold-We can access more of their cities that way.
@Pithom
After shelling,
Tank kills redlined Inf
Cav kills redlined Inf (3-0) razes city.

@Buto-Cav kills Redlined Inf, razes city. (4-0)

@Avaris
Cav kills inf
Cav loses to inf
Cav kills Inf (6-1) razes city.

@Mendes-
Cav kills Cav
Cav kills Egypt Cav, razes city. (8-1)

Destroyer kills an Egyptian Ironclad. (9-1)
I put SoD's near Abydos and Thebes.

I decide to get some alliances going-
Greece- We give Motor Transport and they give 40gpt and 85 gold.
Korea-We give Mass Production, they give 12 gpt, 129 gold.
America-We give Radio, they give 101 gold.

IBT-We lose a cavalry to an Infantry. (9-2)
We also watch the Greeks take Edfu.
Kagoshima, Osaka, and Tokyo R. Lab>Tank

Turn 3-1796 AD-
@Thebes
Tank retreats from Inf
Tank retreats from Inf
Tank kills Inf
Tank loses to Inf
Tank kills Inf
Tank kills Inf
Tank kills Inf, but they have another conscript Inf waiting. Next turn. (13-3)

@Abydos-
Tank army kills 2 Inf
Tank kills Inf, makes leader Fujiwara, razes Abydos.
We sent Fujiwara back to our core. (16-3) Send 11 tanks next to Asyut

IBT-Cav retreats from Inf. Kyoto Tank>Tank, Satsuma R.Lab>Tank'

Turn 4-1798 AD-
@Asyut
Tank kills Inf
Tank kills Inf
Tank kills Inf, razes city (19-3)

I use Fujiwara to rush Seti Program in Kyoto.

@Thebes-
Tank kills Inf
Tank kills Inf
Tank retreats from Inf
Tank kills Inf, razes city. (22-3) So sad, having to raze the Pyramids.

We sign a RoP with Greece, allowing us to near Alexandria.
Destroyer kills Ironclad,
Our ironclad loses to a transport. (23-4)

@Bisiris-
Tank kills Inf, razes city (24-4)

@Athribis-
Tank loses to Inf
Tank kills Inf, makes leader Tojo (Wow I'm getting lucky)
Cav kills Egypt Cav, razes city. (26-5)

We fortify Tojo in Kyoto-There's nothing he can do now.

IBT-Kyoto Seti>Tank, osaka, Tokyo, and Kagoshima Tank>Tank.

Turn 5-1800 AD-
@Elephantine
Tank kills Inf
Tank kills Inf
Tank kills Inf
Tank kills Inf, raZes city. (30-5)

@Alexandria-
Tank army kills 2 inf
Tank kills Inf, razes city (33-5)

We'll, that's it. Talk about a blitz, that's 12 cities down in 4 turns.
I think all of the cities will fall bext turn-only 3 more, and 2 have no cultural expansions.

Well, that's it. Save is attached. Our win date has been cut down to 1806 AD, so the next person will be the one to destroy the Egyptians and win the game. Be sure to take good pics!

So, anyone have any ideas for our next game? Monarch was pretty easy, maybe an Emperor Space Game?

 

[choxorn]

I seem to be up next, so got it. Prepare to see some pics.

 

[choxorn]

Pre-Turn (1800 AD):
-3 turns to victory, w00t!!!
-I send a bunch of full health fortified Cavs and a Tank in our land to go attack Egypt.
@Kahun:
-Cav retreats to Inf
-Cav loses to Inf (0-1)
-Cav kills Inf, city razed (1-1)
@El-Ashmunein:
-Tank lose to Inf (1-2)
-Cav kills Inf (2-2)
-Cav retreats to Guerrilla
-Cav kills Inf (3-2)
-Tank kills Guerrilla, city razed (4-2)

IBT:
-Korean Cav attacks an Inf in Giza, but retreats, and blocks the path of our Tanks.
-Korea and China sign peace.

Turn 1 (1802 AD):
-Stupid AI units…

IBT:
-The Defenders of Giza hold off a Greek attack with no casualties, and some promotions. Thanks a bunch, for making taking Giza harder, Alex.
-All our cities: Tank->Tank
-Well, actually, Tokyo riots, but who cares?

Turn 2 (1804 AD):
-I end the rioting in Tokyo, just for the extra couple of points.
@Giza:
-Bombardment commences, little is done.
-Tank lose to Inf (4-3)
-Tank lose to Inf (4-4)
-Tank army kills 2 Infantry (6-4)
-Inf kills the final Inf (7-4), Giza is destroyed, as is Egypt.



IBT:
-Order is restored in Tokyo, and it builds a Tank.
-In Celebration of our victory, our people expand the palace.



Turn 3 (1806 AD):
-Cultural Victory!



I'll upload the Post-Game pics later.

Well, great game, everybody, what shall we do next time?

The save one turn before the end is attached. Just hit enter, Wait for Tokyo's build to finish and expand the palace, and then victory awaits.

 

[killerkid]

Congratulations team!

Since we've already won Conquest and Culture, and Domination is impossible, I say head for Space Race on Monarch/Emperor.

For a civ, I think Scientific would be good. Perhaps the Greeks? That way we won't be so inclined to whoop our opponents in the AA, as our UU is defensive.

All in all, I'd like Space, but I'm flexible on Civ choice.

 

[TheOverseer714]

5CC? Emperor level Space Victory will certainly be a challenge as a 5CC. Getting all the resources will be tough. With Tassle having a case of civ-blahs, we are a shrinking team, so we might want to add a vic..recruit to help fill out the roster. The pool is getting a bit shallow of late, there's so few new players up to the commitment of SG's.

 

[darski]

Congratulations guys!!!

That was quite a victory you pulled off.

I'll be looking for your next SG.

 

[choxorn]

Hey, could someone else do the endgame pics? My PTW is acting a bit screwy right now.

 

[killerkid]

5CC? Emperor level Space Victory will certainly be a challenge as a 5CC. Getting all the resources will be tough. With Tassle having a case of civ-blahs, we are a shrinking team, so we might want to add a vic..recruit to help fill out the roster. The pool is getting a bit shallow of late, there's so few new players up to the commitment of SG's.

If we're ahead in tech, getting the resources will be no problem. We'll be able to trade techs for gold, gpt and resources.

However, if you don't want do, maybe we can do diplomatic?
And I agree, we should pick somebody up.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Hey, congrats team! Getting a couple more players does sound good, even if I decide to come back. Either way, I'll still be lurking.

 

[TheOverseer714]

I'm up to the space challenge on 5CC, but I want to be sure everyone else is. Emperor is a different game, so a tech lead is not assured. There will need to be lots of wheeling and dealing for tech, and being very careful about handling demands from the AI civs. Rarely will they make a demand and not DoW if refused. We might want a standard continents map and a Sci/Ind civ (Ottomans or Persia). I'd say make some starts and we recruit one or two more players, then we can start.

 

[killerkid]

Sounds good. Hawk, can you make a thread so we can direct people there?

 

[killerkid]

Bump! Anyone still out there?? Hawk, If you don't respond soon, I guess I'll make the thread for Hawk03.

However, I need votes on the following:

1. Condition: Space or Diplo
2. Level: Monarch or Emperor
3. Civ: Greece/Persia (Ruling out Otto's because that's what we were in Hawk01)

Also, with Tasslehoff (Probably) coming out of his Civblahs, we are back to 5 players. A 6th would be nice, so once the thread goes up, we'll advertise in the Registry.

 

[TheOverseer714]

1. Space sounds like a challenge, but a good challenge. 2. My proclivities lean toward Monarch, as Emperor may be too difficult as a 5CC. 3. Persia is stronger for a space run, their Industrious trait makes them great on PTW, stronger than Conquests' nerfed Ind trait. Their Scientific trait equals cheaper Libs, Unis, Research labs, and certain useful wonders (GLib, Copernicus, Newtons, SETI and Darwin, I think). Persia works for me.

 

[killerkid]

OK-I agree with you-Monarch will make it easier to get new players.
The only thing I diasgree with is that our GA will probably be started by immos and not the wonders you mentioned. We don't want our UU to be going up against pikes. when we first use it.

Still waiting on Opinions from at least 2 of our 3 remaining players.

 

[TheOverseer714]

That is the single downside of Persia is the early GA if you war early(bet we will). The good side of Immos is that they are cheaper than Maces and are good for almost half the game. I think Persia is so strong that the early GA is only a small quibble to a top-tier civ. I would say Persia is probably in almost everyone's top 5, even in Conquests. I'd even consider Emperor level 5CC with them.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Since we're a 5CC, an early GA isn't as bad as it usually is. We'll have settled 5 cities early, so there's no 'I want to wait to have more cities before my GA.' Persia's good with me.

I'm more comfortable with a Monarch 5CC, but I think we could handle emperor, with favorable conditions and Persia.