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Help Defend Video Games In The Supreme Court!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by OzzyKP, Aug 12, 2010.

  1. OzzyKP

    OzzyKP Emperor

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    Arnold Schwarzenegger, '80s action star and governor of California, has passed a law banning the sale of "violent" video games to anyone under the age of 18. This is more than just enforcing the ESRB ratings; this is banning all minors from buying all games that could be considered "violent".

    This law has been challenged and is now on its way to being tested in the Supreme Court. The National Youth Rights Association is currently working on an amicus brief to oppose this law, and we need help from the rest of the gaming community. We are collecting testimonies on the social, artistic, and especially political value of video games to prove to the court that their distribution should be protected under the First Amendment.

    The media has been demonizing gamers ever since someone decided that Doom caused Columbine. Getting the Supreme Court to strike down this law and admit the value of video games would be a huge step forward in fighting these misconceptions. This is our chance to clear the name of video games and protect the First Amendment rights of young gamers. This could be the first step in government regulation of video games that could affect all gamers, regardless of age. Our brief is coming along, but we really do need your help. The more testimonies we have, the better our chances of winning over the court.

    For more information and to submit your testimony, visit:

    http://blog.youthrights.org/2010/08/11/schwarzenegger_v_gamers_help_us_fight_back/
     
  2. PeteAtoms

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    How does a game get labeled 'violent?'
    If it is done by the ESRB, wouldn't it be more practical (or an alternative) to petition ESRB to redefine the appropriate level of violence for minors, or even elaborate on the term itself...?

    If you ban games labeled 'violent,' just get the ESRB to stop labeling them that way :p
     
  3. Rhymes

    Rhymes Drive 4 25 is back

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    Why don't young people just ask their dad/mother/homeless guy to go buy the game for them?

    Alas, if I were american I'de support you.
     
  4. Tani Coyote

    Tani Coyote Son of Huehuecoyotl

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    Ah the homeless, the kings of straw purchases... :lol:

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    Seriously, I put my full support behind the anti-Governator cause.

    Also, everyone should take notice that ever since violent videogame sales went up, crime - among youngsters! - has gone down. Odd correlation, isn't it?

    I guess people are so focused playing games they're not out doing real crimes. Plus they can kind of vent with the game when stressed.

    On another note, make the ESRB's ratings have no standing. Between parents and businesses, there's enough censorship of every medium of entertainment. No need to have actual laws or regulations enforce it.

    Never mind the ESRB is worthless. Parents are ignorant of the labels.

    They don't notice the huge freaking M on the cover and buy it. Then they sit down to watch the kid play, and they're all "Oh mah freakin' gad what is this? D8 Who bought this?!" ...you did, dummy. :rolleyes:

    There's no legal precedent (to my knowledge ) yet - and I hope there never is - saying businesses can deny a sale if they think it's a straw purchase, at least in terms of video games.

    Never mind that we'll all be exposed to this crap every day via CSI and all those crime shows. So why the hell are games so forbidden? Any rational youth - I don't think the Colombine kids count! - will know murder is still murder in the real world. Violent games allow us to have fun breaking the law without actually breaking it.

    I'm just saying. If we're exposing people to violence and all these goodies, I don't see why age is the defining factor. So I'm 16 and 364 days, yet, come next day, I'm mature enough to be able to buy the videogame? What? What logic is that? Same goes for age 18 in most places.

    Ah, I get it. It's because we're too lazy to actually examine young people and try to determine which ones are mature enough and which ones are not, too lazy to actually define maturity. No, we'll rely on the number of times you've gone around the Sun in a full cycle. Brilliant. My faith in humanity has dropped.
     
  5. NetGear

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    Who cares? They're minors.

    If its just for sake of minor's first amendment rights, I don't see why I have to fight to unban the law. As much as me caring about minor's rights to purchase hardcore anal sisters volume 6 DVD.

    While I agree with you that violent games gets scapegoated for violent crimes, same could be said of porn industry and creating rapists. There's no correlation for neither yet both are banned and deemed inappropriate for minors. We live in a society where minors are not entitled to same rights as an adult for a reason. And judging by your sig you seem to have issue with that.
     
  6. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    I take it Arnold hasn't actually watched most of his movies as just about any adolescent has.
     
  7. Bestbank Tiger

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    I don't see the problem. It's not illegal for minors to own or play the games--which I would say was an intrusion. They just have to get their parents to buy for them.
     
  8. illram

    illram Deity Retired Moderator

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    What's the big deal? Minors can't buy their own ticket for an R rated movie. Isn't this law trying to do the same thing?

    I played violent video games as a kid, such as Doom and what not, and I don't subscribe to the Crazy Town Newsletter that says violent video games make you violent, but I think it's alright for parents to have a say whether their kids buy violent games.
     
  9. Cull

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    Give me Modern Warfare or give me death!

    This is just so overhyped by the OP by quite a lot.
     
  10. GoodEnoughForMe

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    Well, as a six year old kid, I could always buy an "R" rated book. ;P

    And minors can often buy R rated tickets, I did as a youth and so did my friends.
     
  11. Colonel

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    I remember when I was younger and actually somewhat cared about the rights of minors, however even then I realized they weren't my rights, they were the rights of my parents. As a minor I have no rights besides the basic human rights. They should limit things available to kids as it should be up to the parent to decide what is bad or good for the child to have. I mean I would in no way want any future kid of mine to have unlimited access to the internet, which is why companies have developed software to protect the right of parents to protect their kids from it. As for the kids themselves, if mommy and daddy don't want you to have something, get over it and wait till you grow up.
     
  12. NetGear

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    No duh. In case you haven't noticed, our society is filled with artifical 'you must be this tall' to play for a reason. We can't possibly make individual case by case decision everytime. For ex. That's why we assume higher educated person is more qualified for the job than less educated person,even though less educated person could be far better critical thinker and decision maker.

    Yes 18 years of age is arbitrary number if you think real hard about it. And I know a 15 yr old that's sadly much more mature than some overgrown 30 yr old friends of mine. But our society decided that kids shall not be treated as an adul. And 18 is the general consensus they came up with for the cutoff point. Sorry if they're ahead of the curve on maturity. They can enjoy the responsibility of adulthood when they're 18.
     
  13. Quackers

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    We need more video games.

    :rotfl:
     
  14. west india man

    west india man Immortal

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    :agree:
     
  15. Cynovolans

    Cynovolans Not in my dimension.

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    Games are much more fun when they're illegal.
     
  16. Rhymes

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    Strangely, I believe it is good for teenagers to have to get around laws to get what they
    want. So I support the restrictive laws for underaged.
    It teaches them to develop their ingenuity, which school doesn't seem to do.
     
  17. Rhymes

    Rhymes Drive 4 25 is back

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    Amen...
     
  18. OzzyKP

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    I dunno how they make the determination, but ESRB is currently an industry created standard. It is, in essence, voluntary. This case would actually make violent video games illegal for those under 18. Ratings systems, like movie ratings, are industry standards, not laws. This would make things stricter for games than for movies.

    You don't need to be American. All we need is details on which games out there have something political happening in them. Just go here and leave a comment providing details on a game, or scene in a game or anything else that is at all political:
    http://blog.youthrights.org/2010/08/11/schwarzenegger_v_gamers_help_us_fight_back

    Thanks for the support! Definitely leave a comment at the link. And yea, the claim that video games cause violence is just a moral panic no different than people freaking out about comic books 50 years ago.
     
  19. Cull

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    Why does it matter at all, that's what I'm asking. How does this affect anyone? Is there a wider, broader implication that I'm missing? Because right now it honestly looks like just a bunch of POed teenagers wanting their games.
     
  20. Cynovolans

    Cynovolans Not in my dimension.

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    Giant Death Robots aren't violent are they?
     

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