Greetings all, i am one of these guys that have been to bussy playing civ to post anything on the past years and CiV made the, cease lurking and say anything. I've been playing the Civ series since Civ2, loved SMAC and even enjoyed CtP (and i play the Total War series and Eurpoa Universalis, just to explain qht kind of gamer i am). I wont make another list of complaints, just express my sadness because the game lacks so much yet it does many things good... I have the very same feeling i had with the very dissapointing Spore, it seems thers is a good game hidden somewhere but i just can't really find it. Still i have the feeling the devs must strongly believe this is a good game and that perhaps us civ veterans just need a little change of our way of thinking... I ask the community to help me and others like me that really want to enjoy that game, because we love the series and we are reluctact to accept it has fallen to the mass market mediocrity. My experience so far: goodbye to huge-map-marathon-game (by the middle ages it gets already boring) and (tho i am a tabletop wargamer and love hexes and 1upt) war is no longer fun as i don't want to raze every city i conquer. Spoiler : In the longest game i've played so far... Arabia declared war on me because THEY settled to close to my borders and apparently it was my fault, as my armies were few the other civs in the continent (Greece, France, Japan and Iroquois) also joined in. I was shocked! I loved the fact that in Civ4 you actually needed a casus belli for a DoW, anyway i managed to wipe my nearest neighbour out and one by one the other followed the same fate. I ignored their peace offers (a city i will have to maintain and a bunch of resources i can grab myself?), because as you can't really trade techs or maps and there is no point in going diplo with those psychotic AI i keep the war going on... So is this how a mighty empire must look like? A bunch of scattered cities across a land of ravaged trading posts? In Civ4 i just made war until the other Civ capitulate (unless i was on my way for a conquest victory), and it felt so rewarding and realisting and inmersive! So what now i do is trying to play tiny-map-standard-speed map, but it is like playing Revolutions, not a new iteration in the series! Please help, how can i enjoy CiV?