Hi all, I've been playing Civ4 on and off for about 7 years, and it's become undoubtedly my favorite game of all time. Watching others and lurking here for years, I've absorbed enough info to begin winning on Immortal! I have several wins under my belt on both Pangaeas and continents style maps. The issue is two-fold: I'm probably only winning ~50% of games I play When I do win, it usually is a super late domination win with tanks really late into the game both of these suggest pretty significant shortcomings in how I play, because as we've seen from the talented folks here (almost?) 100% of Immortal maps are winnable, and in a much earlier timeframe. So I've decided to start a shadow game so the experts can help me up my game. Here's our settings... Spoiler Game Settings : Everything standard! Not sure what the consensus is on Big and Small here but I've taken a liking to it! Saladin was given to me by the random leader option. He's not exactly fantastic but definitely not the worst! ...and our start: Spoiler : So much food! Too bad our leader's starting techs make this start pretty awkward... Warrior doesn't seem to be in a position to reveal anything that would take me away from all this yummy food and PH. Moving the Warrior 1SW seems like a no brainer... My opinion is that we have pretty decent food with the corn and flood plains letting us skip Fishing for the time being. Start with Agriculture > Pottery > Mining > BW? Then maybe Fishing after BW? I'll provide the save below. Unfortunately, I use the BAT Mod which doesn't have BUG's option to not need to be loaded as a mod. Therefore, I think you'll need BAT to play this? If someone can tell me a way to turn this into a normal save for the rest of you, I'd share that! Cheers!