[BTS] help! monarch level
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It's so a wonders start lol, in a high level game i would def. tech myst + masonry (myst first for speeding up masonry) and then Oracle.
Pottery..later. I guess reading the map can also be a nice part of learning, marble and stone with a high base production Cap and gold allows building them almost automatically.
Worker has enuf to do with connecting marble, building cottages would be no priority early.
If you memorize that most starts will work differently, you could have fun with that one.
Pottery..later. I guess reading the map can also be a nice part of learning, marble and stone with a high base production Cap and gold allows building them almost automatically.
Worker has enuf to do with connecting marble, building cottages would be no priority early.
If you memorize that most starts will work differently, you could have fun with that one.
This is interesting in first thought i agreeed with @Fippy becosue yea Oracle is way to go here and worker can improove gold then mine grassland hill and road to marble.
But do we want to go for Oracle like right now this would be extreamly fast.
We dont need BW for now thats for sure. However i personally dont like working hills, like this grassland hill. Without pottery we would have to work this.
Another thing is 2nd city site is ezy guess 3N from capitol can shere gold farm cottage tiles etc. great help city. We want to bulid it at size 4 ( better was s3 but we are 1 T to grow so better wait). And with Pottery one can start to growing early cottages. Allso Capitol at s6 can work Pigs farm 2 cottages and Marble this will speed up everything.
Overall i would go Pottery-Mistycyzm-Mansonry-Poli-PH-BW.
Edit.
I explain why i more like to work FP cottages instand of grassland hills.
Its simple it gives you
and 
and with slavery is 
beocuse one can whip and choop or choop and whip 
So overall from my point of view theres no need to work mines at all in early stages of the game beocuse one want to just grow and whip.
Offcourse there are some situation when one wants to work mines like
stuff but we have here +1 from gold so happiness shouldnt be a problem.
But do we want to go for Oracle like right now this would be extreamly fast.
We dont need BW for now thats for sure. However i personally dont like working hills, like this grassland hill. Without pottery we would have to work this.
Another thing is 2nd city site is ezy guess 3N from capitol can shere gold farm cottage tiles etc. great help city. We want to bulid it at size 4 ( better was s3 but we are 1 T to grow so better wait). And with Pottery one can start to growing early cottages. Allso Capitol at s6 can work Pigs farm 2 cottages and Marble this will speed up everything.
Overall i would go Pottery-Mistycyzm-Mansonry-Poli-PH-BW.
Edit.
I explain why i more like to work FP cottages instand of grassland hills.
Its simple it gives you
and and with slavery is beocuse one can whip and choop or choop and whip So overall from my point of view theres no need to work mines at all in early stages of the game beocuse one want to just grow and whip.
Offcourse there are some situation when one wants to work mines like
stuff but we have here +1 from gold so happiness shouldnt be a problem.
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yep..3N
CS sling seems very doable here
samarai - I recommend putting your pics in spoiler tags. It helps with page loading
oh..and this city has
I would recommend going BW here earlier right after POT...myst/masonry not that urgent, but I would go myst/masonry next for quick monument in city2 to get stone up quick. Mids will be easy build in Kyoto..ha
(note: low sea level setting is on..there is a lot of land here)
CS sling seems very doable here
samarai - I recommend putting your pics in spoiler tags. It helps with page loading
oh..and this city has
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I would recommend going BW here earlier right after POT...myst/masonry not that urgent, but I would go myst/masonry next for quick monument in city2 to get stone up quick. Mids will be easy build in Kyoto..ha
(note: low sea level setting is on..there is a lot of land here)
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Pottery now is not good high level play here, just saying that (not for Samurai 
).
Peoples are so fixed on cottages (i partly blame AZ for that..he always goes pottery if he can) that they start overlooking the real potential of some starts.
It's such an obvious myst - masonry - Poly - PH - build Oracle (no need to finish if you want to wait for better techs), start Pyras (connect stone with 2nd city) and work pigs - gold - fp farm - hill or quarry..map that i cannot see any need for pottery (or BW) before that.
Geez i sound like Obsolete..
).Peoples are so fixed on cottages (i partly blame AZ for that..he always goes pottery if he can) that they start overlooking the real potential of some starts.
It's such an obvious myst - masonry - Poly - PH - build Oracle (no need to finish if you want to wait for better techs), start Pyras (connect stone with 2nd city) and work pigs - gold - fp farm - hill or quarry..map that i cannot see any need for pottery (or BW) before that.
Geez i sound like Obsolete..
Explain me that @Fippy how Pottery is not high lvl play here. I dont c like allmoust any case where Pottery is a bad choice or not optimal or idk how to call it.For me Pottery is allways good choice. Benefit is like right way and in long term at ~1AD with CS one is working towns not villages or hamlets.
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Sure
Cottages cost worker turns too, and there's so much else to do here early.
Connecting quarry & 2nd city, improving stone and Rice (yep i would use that in 2nd city before a fp cottage first).
Cap has plenty tiles to work besides them for now..it's just replaced by better early stuff here, some guys like Obsolete tried getting out that message for years and years. Nothing is automatic in this game (thankfully, makes it so much fun) including cottages on fps and yup i know it's tempting.
I always ask myself why would i do that now, and while i can see bw for barb defense (if we take deity) i cannot see the same for pottery.
I am still building up some cottages early enuf after the first rush of choices is over, this start offers some of the best early tiles and i would look to snowball that rather than doing what i would without gold mines, wonder resources and so on.
Cottages cost worker turns too, and there's so much else to do here early.
Connecting quarry & 2nd city, improving stone and Rice (yep i would use that in 2nd city before a fp cottage first).
Cap has plenty tiles to work besides them for now..it's just replaced by better early stuff here, some guys like Obsolete tried getting out that message for years and years. Nothing is automatic in this game (thankfully, makes it so much fun) including cottages on fps and yup i know it's tempting.
I always ask myself why would i do that now, and while i can see bw for barb defense (if we take deity) i cannot see the same for pottery.
I am still building up some cottages early enuf after the first rush of choices is over, this start offers some of the best early tiles and i would look to snowball that rather than doing what i would without gold mines, wonder resources and so on.
Well yea ok i c your point of view its ok but ... yea mine is diferent .
i wouldnt improove this dry rice i rather to work fp farm with 2nd city ( for now) and this allows worker to bulid a cottage, stone need to be improoved after monument and border pop ( if we agree to the 2nd city placment).
No i say a bit diferent tehres no other 2nd city placment on Monarch then 3N only excuse not to do that is deity and rush mids then i can understand placing this city 3N1W but only then. Simply not worth wasteing worker turns to bulid a road.
And with that well capitol doesnt have enough food to work gold and Marlbe, and it does with FP cottages. 2nd city can work gold and FP farm and bulid a settler at s2. Capitol pigs marble and cottages and we are working all good tiles everywhere.
But hmm yea maybe iam just too "automatic"
.i wouldnt improove this dry rice i rather to work fp farm with 2nd city ( for now) and this allows worker to bulid a cottage, stone need to be improoved after monument and border pop ( if we agree to the 2nd city placment).
No i say a bit diferent tehres no other 2nd city placment on Monarch then 3N only excuse not to do that is deity and rush mids then i can understand placing this city 3N1W but only then. Simply not worth wasteing worker turns to bulid a road.
And with that well capitol doesnt have enough food to work gold and Marlbe, and it does with FP cottages. 2nd city can work gold and FP farm and bulid a settler at s2. Capitol pigs marble and cottages and we are working all good tiles everywhere.
But hmm yea maybe iam just too "automatic"
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My counter would be that, while we can talk high level play, and My's suggestions certainly are great for that, I think you need to consider the level played now. Obviously, high level play requires sacrificing one tech path for another and then relying on alpha trades. However, on Monarch, especially continents where maybe 2 other AI - sometimes 1 - Alpha may not appear for a very very long time.
so yeah - much of the things I recommended here I would not do on IMM or Deity..more like what My says.
Also, the urgency of quarries and Oracle is not so much here to preclude grabbing things like Pot for some cottages/grans and BW
CS Sling very likely here I think..and the early cottage development really helps with that
@Anysense - it's not a bad call to settle as you mentioned, but I see no urgency of stone, and like the overlap potential of 3N much better..just the ability to work gold when Kyoto cannot is huge.
so yeah - much of the things I recommended here I would not do on IMM or Deity..more like what My says.
Also, the urgency of quarries and Oracle is not so much here to preclude grabbing things like Pot for some cottages/grans and BW
Spoiler :
CS Sling very likely here I think..and the early cottage development really helps with that
@Anysense - it's not a bad call to settle as you mentioned, but I see no urgency of stone, and like the overlap potential of 3N much better..just the ability to work gold when Kyoto cannot is huge.
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@Fippy
I think alot of people like the early pottery more for granary than for the cottages, especially if you plan on heavily whipping and expanding, then you kind of want the cottages too. I go for a pretty early pottery in most of my games as well, that is to say usually just before or after writing because alot of times i have stalled out trying to grab what I need. - I guess the way I view it, its the percentage play, especially if you know ahead of time you're going to beurau cap
I think alot of people like the early pottery more for granary than for the cottages, especially if you plan on heavily whipping and expanding, then you kind of want the cottages too. I go for a pretty early pottery in most of my games as well, that is to say usually just before or after writing because alot of times i have stalled out trying to grab what I need. - I guess the way I view it, its the percentage play, especially if you know ahead of time you're going to beurau cap
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Cant play till friday because of school
But from I read
Best 2nd city is 3N overlaps with Kyoto to help grow FP cottage and gold if not being worker, 1st border pop will get stone
For research Pottery for cottages -->BW for barb defense -> myst for monument -->masonry to hook up stone and marble
But from I read
Best 2nd city is 3N overlaps with Kyoto to help grow FP cottage and gold if not being worker, 1st border pop will get stone
For research Pottery for cottages -->BW for barb defense -> myst for monument -->masonry to hook up stone and marble
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Agree with you ofc (Lymo and blunderwonder, also Yyeah points are good).
Maybe i'm too often tempted to give different perspectives, my thoughts usually go like "if guys like Slamurai see the many chats about early decisions, that could get them on the right track and understand how important early turns are".
So i see use in writing them a bit hmm..thought provoking
Maybe i'm too often tempted to give different perspectives, my thoughts usually go like "if guys like Slamurai see the many chats about early decisions, that could get them on the right track and understand how important early turns are".
So i see use in writing them a bit hmm..thought provoking
Yeah, Fippy, keep it up. The different perspectives is what keeps me coming back to see what I can learn. Especially when they are discussed in terms of different diff levels. I've played the game for a long time but still can find a tidbit here and there.
Even on Monarch the barbs are quite slow. You won't need a huge amount of units for fog busting till you go to emp or immortal level.
Mylene's advice is normally spot on. She does not play a great deal of Monarch games. A delayed Oracle could be nice here. Of course getting up wonders like mids and Oracle is always nice if you have marble/stone. On Monarch level it is usually a bit faster tech wise too compared to higher levels. So actually you can get techs like pottery, myst, med and PH. You almost get 1-2 tech free compared to immortal.
Mylene's advice is normally spot on. She does not play a great deal of Monarch games. A delayed Oracle could be nice here. Of course getting up wonders like mids and Oracle is always nice if you have marble/stone. On Monarch level it is usually a bit faster tech wise too compared to higher levels. So actually you can get techs like pottery, myst, med and PH. You almost get 1-2 tech free compared to immortal.
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Hello again !!
So I have research POTTERY the cottaged 2N of kyoto then Finished BW found Bronze 1W of Kyoto
1.Should i farm first the rice or mine the bronze?
2.Worker is better in Cap than granary right now?
3should i build monument in the 2nd city after Myst?
So I have research POTTERY the cottaged 2N of kyoto then Finished BW found Bronze 1W of Kyoto
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1.Should i farm first the rice or mine the bronze?
2.Worker is better in Cap than granary right now?
3should i build monument in the 2nd city after Myst?
Your worker is allrdy on this farm so yea you should probably farm it.
However better was improoving mine , 2 pop whip worker and put over flow in to granary. 2nd city could work FP farm then.
Allso forest has grown in city spot is good if one is choop it away befor settling.
Yea monument is good, and at s2 work farm, gold and bulid settler there. Capitol can grow.
However better was improoving mine , 2 pop whip worker and put over flow in to granary. 2nd city could work FP farm then.
Allso forest has grown in city spot is good if one is choop it away befor settling.
Yea monument is good, and at s2 work farm, gold and bulid settler there. Capitol can grow.
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