help with dotmap please :D

[Slimblues]

hey all

im new to this whole dotmap biz and would like some help

im totally useless at placeing citys and i usully go with what the computer says

i wanna try and do speciiced citys but i suck so any help appreciated

Edit : see reply

ok i started again heres the new map , aztects to the north i just got a settler from a goody hut , where to place

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[kjnoren]

You're still so early in the game it's hard to give any real advice, especially since you still have some large unexplored areas close to you. I'm especially thinking of the central peninsular area northeast of the banana, and the half-explored tiles east and north of the elephants.

The only thing I can say for certain is that you want a city on the tile northwest of the pig, or the one north of it (if you find iron or copper in the extreme southeast plains tile, go for the southern tile, otherwise I'd pick the northern one). It will pick up the corn that the capital misses, the pig, a grassland hill and one or two sugar - it's a very food-rich location.

 

[xanadux]

Do you have bronze working yet? It's pretty important to know where the copper is before founding your second city.

 

[Slimblues]

well i just found i didnt put enough computer oppoents in lol

gonner restart a new game but will be seeking advice shortly

and no i didnt have bronze working

whats the best time to make settlers when you get to say size 3-4 city ?

 

[kjnoren]

well i just found i didnt put enough computer oppoents in lol

gonner restart a new game but will be seeking advice shortly

and no i didnt have bronze working

whats the best time to make settlers when you get to say size 3-4 city ?

I'd say, as a rule of thumb, that the best time to start making settlers is when you have all the early bonus tiles improved and worked (by that I mean tiles which yield a combined food+hammer of four or more). Very high-commerce tiles (ie gold, gems and silver) should also be worked. Most non-resource tiles worked after that will only marginally shorten the time needed to build the settler.

But that is a rule of thumb, only. If you do an early rush and has copper or iron in the initial fat cross you will quite possibly build your first settler later, and sometimes you need to get it out earlier.

 

[Slimblues]

i dont usually build settlers right away , its just where i play on aa low level the goody huts give em to me

 

[Slimblues]

updated first post

 

[Quechua]

Well, of course you want the copper...the problem is there's no food resources or fresh water nearby to feed a copper city. You could found a coastal city 2S of the copper that grabs a lot of resources (once you chop a monument), but it's not going to be very productive until you can clear the jungle and bring in irrigation from the river near your capital.

Another option is to build on the northern coast right next to the copper, and build another city grabbing both the stone and cow. You need to scout south of the dyes to help make your decision (as well as the coast south of your capital).

The one spot that clearly looks good to me is on the river 2W of the cow, grabbing the wheat and some fertile land. But you need to settle the copper city first.

Edit: If that is a large lake east of the dyes, it makes a huge difference. In that case I'd be more inclined to put the stone and copper in the same city since you can build farms right away. Still, you need to scout more.

 

[xanadux]

Since its a goody hut settler, there is actually plenty of time to build another settler for the copper if you want. Copper city won't be a great city, but you can at least irrigate some grassland to get some production. I would put copper city 1sw of copper, allowing you to work the copper and stone and 2 irrigated grassland without needing a border pop. Unless that's a sea and not a lake, in which case this city will be pretty poor for a long time.

2 west of the cows is probably your best city site. You need to scout more south of the capital. You might have copper closer there and with a better city and lower maintenance.

But coppertown plus cow city, plus another a little further south between the two cuts off the aztecs from your land, and that's a good thing (as long as you are ready when he attacks you).

 

[Quechua]

The concept of a goody hut settler is completely foreign to me...but yeah I guess then settling cow river before copperstone is better.

I was also thinking 1SW of the copper for a pure production city, although you would still need a border pop unless you want to wait till iron working to build a farm. A good alternative, depending on what your scout sees, is building a hybrid city on the lake, either 1E of stone or 2S of copper. 1E of stone is a little better long term, but 2S is better right away - lake tiles are effectively hamlets.

 

[Slimblues]

thanks for the help guys ill let ya know how i get on , havent played since i posted that link hehe.

 

[Gooblah]

Couple of things:
Mali or Mongolia to the South East, close to copper, since there's a brown ring around the Sugar
Make the Second City the Cow/Wheat City to block Aztec Expansion
Copper/Stone City kinda sux in placement, but is only Copper revealed so far

Edit:
The attachment's not showing, so here are the adjustments:
*City 2 2E of Wheat, on Floodplains
City 3 on tile between Stone and *Copper (diagonally)