Historical Realism vs Gameplay

[Monkeyfinger]

The best 4x game of all time was civ-in-space, using completely original characters and factions, with a crazy premise and no basis in historical fact.

Screw historical accuracy and realism. SMAC proved how much a game benefits when the developers don't have to bust their backs trying to adhere to that.

 

[AfterShafter]

The best 4x game of all time was civ-in-space, using completely original characters and factions, with a crazy premise and no basis in historical fact.

Screw historical accuracy and realism. SMAC proved how much a game benefits when the developers don't have to bust their backs trying to adhere to that.

I would give up red meat to see a sequel to SMAC done with updated mechanics

 

[L4zXX0r]

Personally, I prefer game balance, and then historical simulation. I think the historicality of it all, is what the mods are for. When I design scenarios that are historical, I make sure they work with in the confines of the game as best as possible. Though, one thing I would like more control over is creating civs laws and culture. I'd like to enforce a ban on dancing, and obligatory voting for democracy.

 

[Xira]

1. Being Jewish is not just a religion, it's also a bloodline. Not for one second at any moment in time was there a chance for non jews to be assimilated on a mass scale into Judaism, especially Turkic tribes(not including ninth century Khazaria).

2. Perhaps create a non censored version for the part of the world that doesn't live in the thought controlled EU(lalaland).

3."They", Zulus, sub saharan negroids are still alive today. You may be thinking of the "Hottentot" tribe that is now extinct, or the "bushmen" that were hunted for food by their bigger cousins, the Zulus. Their descendants have been destroying Rhodesia since 1980 and as we type, are also proudly working on the downfall and complete destruction of South Africa. You're either a moron or you've never had to live amongst a significant population of Negros. These "people", I use that term loosely, are not capable of creating let alone sustaining an advanced civilization(Rhodesia, case and point) . Therefore that's why it bothered me to build a massive civilization only to have it attacked by these magical, obviously fictional, "Super Negros".

Go back to sleep lil' lamb.

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Really it's al the PC stuff that we are conditioned to belive that causes people to argue with you.

Your tone however could use some work

Blacks << Whites < Asians. That's how it goes. Sorry to burst your bubbles but ALL MEN ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. Some people are born genetically smarter, faster, stronger, or all of the above than others. This applies to races of men as well, and some of that comes down to skin color or the slant of your eyes.

Blacks are 5 points lower than whites who are 2 points lower than asians.
3 points translates into a 30% better chance of getting into an ivy league college, in case you didn't think it matters.

No wonder blacks have to get handouts to get in while asians are 'overrepresented' by about 25%.

You can whine and call it raceist all you want, but that's not going to change a dam thing.

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[qwertz]

balance between realism and gamplay?

 

[TyranusBonehead]

Bring on the radioactive monkeys!

OK, seriously, balanced gameplay.

 

[MrFrodo]

Ya, it shouldn't be either or, but if the developer has to make that decision for whatever reason, gameplay must win, because 100% realism is not actually possible without it really happening. (History can never be 100% accurate either TBQH).

However, the real problem with this poll is including "Radioactive Monkeys" as an option. Talk about skew...

 

[Imperator1984]

Really it's al the PC stuff that we are conditioned to belive that causes people to argue with you.

Your tone however could use some work

Blacks << Whites < Asians. That's how it goes. Sorry to burst your bubbles but ALL MEN ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. Some people are born genetically smarter, faster, stronger, or all of the above than others. This applies to races of men as well, and some of that comes down to skin color or the slant of your eyes.

Blacks are 5 points lower than whites who are 2 points lower than asians.
3 points translates into a 30% better chance of getting into an ivy league college, in case you didn't think it matters.

No wonder blacks have to get handouts to get in while asians are 'overrepresented' by about 25%.

You can whine and call it raceist all you want, but that's not going to change a dam thing.

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To be more specific it is Northeast Asians with the highest IQ's. Southeast asians have lower IQ's than Western Whites.

Brainwashed sheep always scream "Racism", "Xenophobia", and my favourite of all "ignorant". Let me guess professor "Goldman" or "Feinstein" told them guys it's ok to breed down with the animals, just not his daughter...

Maybe in the enlightened world of liberal morons negros actually achieved something throughout the history of mankind. Perhaps if you include Negros in the category just above apes and just below humans(simians) than maybe they can get some credit over the chimpanzees for inventing the "pimp walk" or the "grab yo' balls and holla at dat white . .. .. .. .. .".

Negroids are not capable of building nor sustaining an advanced civilization. They possess neither the intellectual nor emotional capacity to do so. Again, this is why it always p'd me off to have my civilization attacked by magical jungle bunnies in stealth bombers.

Perhaps Sid should create a "porch monkey" unit where IT sits around, collects welfare, spits out as many niglets as possible and . .. .. .. .. .es and moans about how "Whitey" is keepin' dem po' negros down.

Then all you . .. .. .. .. .. . loving morons could get behind the horde of animals and scream about the injustices of the po', oppressed Jena Six. After all All deys be doin' is keepin it real when dey beat dat white . .. .. .. .. . half to death.

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[Imperator1984]

Dr Albert Schweitzer, who spent most of his life in Africa, "uplifting" Negroes, received the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1952. He held several doctorate degrees. Shortly before his death, he said:



"I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men that have lived here must learn and know; that these individuals are a sub-race; they have neither the intellectual, mental or emotional abilities to equate or share in any of the functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try and bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status; white, the superior, and they the inferior, for whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equal, they will either destroy him or devour him, and they will destroy all his work; and so for any existing relationship or for any benefit to this people let white men from anywhere in the world who would come to help Africa remember that you must continually retain the status; you the master, and they inferior, like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals, never accept them as your social equals; or they will devour you; they will destroy you."

The Zulus should not be a civilization, at least not in the same category as humans.

 

[jessiecat]

Just because you can quote a smug Christian who, like Mother Theresa,
spent his life patronising non-white peoples, it doesn't avoid the fact they
were racist and wrong. Just like you are racist and wrong. You sound to me
like some pimply teenager raging in his middle-class, suburban coccoon about
things and people he has no experience of. You probably think Columbine
was a giggle too, you childish twerp. Your views don't belong in a series
discussion about Civ tactics. I 'm amazed the moderator hasn't spooted this.

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[Imperator1984]

Just because you can quote a smug Christian who, like Mother Theresa,
spent his life patronising non-white peoples, it doesn't avoid the fact they
were racist and wrong. Just like you are racist and wrong. You sound to me
like some pimply teenager raging in his middle-class, suburban coccoon about
things and people he has no experience of. You probably think Columbine
was a giggle too, you childish twerp. Your views don't belong in a series
discussion about Civ tactics. I 'm amazed the moderator hasn't spooted this.

"Racist", what, where?! burn the witch!

"Columbine a giggle", your making an assumption and a personal attack on my character because that's all you liberals got. You don't have reality on your side to support your quasi marxist belief system so you resort to childish slander.

England is a cesspool of muslims and niggers because of morons like you.

The reign of marxist multi culturalism is coming to an end. Hopefully traitors like you(if you're White) will be sent to africa with your beloved pets.

 

[AfterShafter]

Well, you're soon to be banned, I suspect... I'd strongly suggest the forums at http://www.stormfront.org/forum/ for someone to go to and complain about the oppression of the liberal media after you're gone. You'll find many a kindred spirit there.

I'm just curious though... I work at a university and have found some of the cleverest and most capable minds in my field are of African descent. I've never been able to reconcile this with the claims of mental inferiority that fellows like Dr.Schweitzer have made, and can't come to any conclusion other than that the difficulties of Africa are a product of situation more than genetics. What's your take on prominent black figures in the intellectual world?

 

[jessiecat]

Thanks for that. Totally agree. And yes, I am white and North American.
Like you, I've lived and worked with black and Asian people,who are , in
general, as intelligent as whites. Have you noticed that it's usually the younger and more disfunctional white boys who seem to exhibit such impotent rage and antisocial opinions. Like you, i think the individual(s) in question will soon be banned from this forum. About time too. The moderators have been informed. OK?
.

 

[Imperator1984]

I'm just curious though... I work at a university and have found some of the cleverest and most capable minds in my field are of African descent. I've never been able to reconcile this with the claims of mental inferiority that fellows like Dr.Schweitzer have made, and can't come to any conclusion other than that the difficulties of Africa are a product of situation more than genetics. What's your take on prominent black figures in the intellectual world?

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[Methos]

Moderator Action: The racist remarks and discussion stop now and Imperator1984, take a couple of days to relax.

 

[Diamondeye]

Thanks Methos. Can't take people like that.
I suggest that couple of days to be extended to, say, lifetime.

 

[Diamondeye]

because you may one day find yourself shocked if you don't.

Or, if you keep on babbling out load like that, replace shocked with beaten up.
And no, that was not a threat. I am white and against all forms of violence. I am just giving you a hint.

 

[AfterShafter]

Or, if you keep on babbling out load like that, replace shocked with beaten up.
And no, that was not a threat. I am white and against all forms of violence. I am just giving you a hint.

Urm... Why are you suggesting I might be beaten up for saying the types of things I'm saying? Or are you suggesting Imperator might be?

 

[Diamondeye]

Urm... Why are you threatening to beat me up?

... I'm actually talking to Imperator1984, but since you're asking so nicely...

 

[Methos]

Moderator Action: Come on guys, try and get this discussion back on topic. Please drop the racial discussion.