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  1. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    Presumably shored up power on the continent while trying to further isolate Britain and Russia diplomatically. But that's not the kind of person that Napoleon was, nor would the rest of Europe just taken things lying down.

    There is no plausible situation in which Sea Lion could possibly have succeeded. The Germans had no ability to get their forces across the English channel, and the plans they did have were laughably poor.

    Contrast the slapdash preparations that would have been in place, to the attack that we know succeeded, Operation Overlord. Overlord took place after years of planning by the Allies, with massive industrial resources provided by the United States, enjoying air and naval superiority, along with a hefty element of surprise and support from airborne troops. While it was doubtful that the Germans could have successfully pushed them back with all those advantages, it was also very difficult for the Allied troops to breakout from their beachheads.

    Napoleon's invasion of Russia was probably a bad idea, but it was by no means a foregone conclusion that the invasion would fail. It was also not simply the Russian winter that did him in, but effective resistance from Russian forces, that at least forced Napoleon to retreat back along the same ground he had advanced through, denying them supplies during their withdrawal.

    And while the Soviet Union would eventually play the largest hand in defeating Hitler, it's not exactly clear what other options are available to Germany in 1941. England is essentially unassailable, while the Germans are increasingly paranoid about growing Russian strengths. North Africa would be the likely place effort would be diverted to, but the limiting factor there for both sides was logistical capacity rather than volume of troops. And Germany can't afford to sit on her hands, as the Nazi economy was essentially a shambles.
     
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    I'm looking for a list of purged Soviet military leaders (including major generals and above ranks, as well as equivalent ranks in the navy & air force) from 1936 to 1941 (does not have to include those purged in the aftermath of the Barbarossa invasion). Does anyone, by chance, have a link to such information or know a source for such information?

    I actually did have a list of Russian military personnel similar to what I've described (in Russian), but I lost the link and can't find it despite searching my browsing history.

    Please do not direct me to Wikipedia or generals.dk; I've already looked at those sources, and the latter doesn't include pre-WW2 personnel.
     
  3. Agent327

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    Unfortunately, the repeated incursions and subsequent settlements increasingly reduced the West's tax base. This had two fatal consequences: there was less money to sustain the military (so the Western army grew progressively smaller) and its quality diminished accordingly. Effectively the West was in mortal danger with the loss of Africa to the Vandals, which again had two consequences: Rome lost its main grain supply and the largest tax base it still had left. Plans to reconquer Africa in a joint expedition with the East were thwarted by incursions in the East-controlled Balkan peninsula. After that it was just a matter of time til Italy also fell.
     
  4. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    A big problem with the loss of Africa also meant that there had to be a significant military presence in Italy to deter or stop attacks. You also definitely need an army across the Alps, and wherever the Emperor isn't, the local aristocracy will be scheming to use the local army to get a more locally aligned Emperor on the throne. Very bad for political stability.
     
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    Did a ruthlessly aggressive Assyrian Queen and ruler of ancient Assyria ever exist? Thought I heard about her somewhere, however, can't find any historical data, perhaps I've misheard.
     
  6. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    Might you be thinking of Palmyra and Queen Zenobia?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra
     
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    He may be thinking of Semiramis, who is mostly legendary but based on a queen who was regent of Assyria. The historical queen was Sammu-ramat.
     
  8. Earthman

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    On another forum I found interesting discussions about national identity (associating yourself with a particular nation) and ethnic consciousness (being aware that the language you speak is XYZ and that you belong to XYZ culture), etc., in the Middle Ages and later:

    It started from discussing whether Austrians were Germans in the past, or not:

    http://historum.com/european-histor...en-austria-germany-so-unpopular-nowadays.html

    http://historum.com/european-history/74435-italy-civic-ethnic-nation-state-3.html#post1884627

    What do you think about those points of view?

    Was there ethnic awareness, national identities and ethnic or national conflicts back in the Middle Ages in Europe?

    Was a typical Anglo-Saxon aware of being different than a typical Welsh (Welsh means "foreigner", IIRC)?
     
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    Seeing as nations primarily refers to the 19th century concept of the same name, the answer should be no. (Natio in the medieval Latin sense has a slightly less flammable meaning.)
     
  10. Earthman

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    Ok but is there any evidence that this concept is 19th century and not much older?

    Well maybe before the 19th century the same concept was known under a different name - for example "race". Race became a biological concept in the 19th century, while before the 19th century it was like nation later (for example Martin Luther wrote about "Jewish race", "Slavic race", etc.).

    In the 19th century those two terms changed their meaning. But concepts existed earlier.
     
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    that must be it, thanks!
     
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    Did most of the plagues which devastated Europe throughout the medieval as well as later eras originate in Asia?
     
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    "Ἀεὶ Λιβύη φέρει τί κακόν"
    "Everything bad arrives always from Libya" (Africa).

    Some ancient Greek saying :mischief:
     
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    you sure it's not ancient Egyptian?
     
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    Are the ancient/classical kingdoms of Nubia and Numidia possibly worthy of being included in the game? Did Egypt rule Nubia most of the time, for how long a period of time was it an independent empire? Was Numidia ruled by Carthage and later Rome? was it ever independent?
     
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    Perhaps Nubia more than Numidia, a long time including a period when Kushi'te kings actually ruled Egypt, and yes for about a century and a half.
     
  17. Plotinus

    Plotinus Philosopher Super Moderator

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    My African scenario featured the three early medieval Nubian kingdoms of Nobadia, Alodia, and Makuria. They were independent, though not of each other, and at least theoretically Christian. The "baqt" - a non-aggression treaty between Makuria and Muslim Egypt in the seventh century - guaranteed this independence for centuries, and is the source of our word "pact".
     
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    Is it a myth, or was Stalin actually convinced by one of his generals that horses were better than tanks?
     
  19. cybrxkhan

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    The infamous Black Plague did, at least, I dunno about the other ones.

    Nubia was on and off independent of ancient Egypt for most of its early history, but other than some specialists its early history I believe is rather obscure. Eventually Nubia did conquer Egypt for a century or so, as TK said, from c. 750-650 BCE (I don't remember the exact dates) until it was driven out not by the native Egyptians, but the invading Assyrians. That said, Nubia, or Kush, rather, managed to survive as a reasonably strong kingdom - Alexander the Great and the Romans didn't conquer them, for instance - but eventually collapsed in the wake of the rising Axumite Kingdom (a proto-Ethiopia, I guess you can say). However, a few successor kingdoms arose from Kush, the three prominent ones being Alodia, Nobatia, and Makuria; not much is known about these, I think, the one most well-known would be Makuria. Anyways, these kingdoms survived into medieval times, particularly Makuria, which proved to be rather troublesome for the Arab Empire, enough that Makuria and the Caliphate negotiated a longstanding treaty of sorts known as the Baqt. Makuria began collapsing in the 14th century from civil war and foreign invasion, though it might've survived in some form or another into the 16th century or so.

    Thus, regardless of whether or not you count Makuria as a late iteration of ancient Nubia/Kush, Nubia was a reasonably powerful, independent state that survived for quite a long time. Some people I suppose see Nubia as a pale imitation of Egypt, but that'd be like saying Japan is a pale imitation of China.

    As for Numidia I believe they were independent for a while.



    (Anyone else feel free to correct anything I said above, my knowledge on this is kind of hazy at the moment.)
     
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    In some situations and some types of terrain, horses might be better than trucks. But tanks?
     
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