Holodomor Remembrance Day...

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I'm guessing most people don't know what the Holodomor is so here is some reading for your edification...

Holodomor - Wikipedia

Holodomor | Facts, Definition, & Death Toll | Britannica

How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine - HISTORY

It was basically a forced starvation plan by Stalin that killed millions. If you prefer to get your information from movies, there is a recent one entitled Mr. Jones that details the horrors of that time.

Here in Canada it is commemorated on November 26th this year... it is always done on the fourth Friday in November each year.

I remember my grandfather telling me about how more than half his family died and how some people had to resort to cannibalism due to the complete lack of food, especially during the winter months.

Whenever I think my life is difficult, I always think of this time and realize how easy I have it.
 
Another legacy of Marx's worker's wonderland. Being cynical, I'd opt for the genocide explanation.
 
Another legacy of Marx's worker's wonderland.

The funny thing is that the Irish Potato Famine actually has more to do with Adam Smith than anything the Soviets did has to do with Marx
 
Famine, whatever the cause, is pretty awful. I was just poking you even if I do blame the Ukraine on Stalin. :)
 
It was basically a forced starvation plan by Stalin that killed millions.
It was part of broader Soviet famine of 1932-1933, which except Ukraine also affected Russia and Kazakhstan.
The "Holodomor" term focuses exclusively on Ukrainian territory, ignoring victims in other regions, who were majority.
I don't see a reason to create special term for Ukrainian famine, except making it appear like other regions did not suffer and ethnic Ukrainians were specifically targeted.

The famine itself was the result of mismanagement, poorly executed forced collectivization, and two consequtive droughts, rather than Stalin's evil plan to reduce Soviet population.

Stalin was not the first, though—Lenin and the “war communism” imposed confiscation, and there was a famine in Russia shortly thereafter.
Famines happened regularly in Russian Empire before 1917.
 
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Criticizing the communists is not equal to praise for the Romanovs.

I mean, saying war communism led to famine hardly can read any other way. Should the Bolsheviks just have asked the Russian aristocrats nicely to disestablish themselves?
 
Criticizing the communists is not equal to praise for the Romanovs.
You were not just criticizing communists, you implied that famine related to government policies happened first time in Russian history under Lenin.
 
I mean, saying war communism led to famine hardly can read any other way. Should the Bolsheviks just have asked the Russian aristocrats nicely to disestablish themselves?
Of course not. criticizing X is not praise for Y. Saying capitalism sucks because.... is not an endorsement of anything else. Saying communism's collective agriculture failed is not praise for Tzarist serfdom or anything else. Saying socialism is best would be a criticism of capitalism. I think you are just more sensitive to criticism of Marx and communism than some others just as some others are more sensitive to criticism of capitalism. :)
 
You were not just criticizing communists, you implied that famine related to government policies happened first time in Russian history under Lenin.
Actually he didn't. He said that famine under Lenin happened before famine under Stalin.

Stalin was not the first, though—Lenin and the “war communism” imposed confiscation, and there was a famine in Russia shortly thereafter.
 
Of course not. criticizing X is not praise for Y. Saying capitalism sucks because.... is not an endorsement of anything else. Saying communism's collective agriculture failed is not praise for Tzarist serfdom or anything else. Saying socialism is best would be a criticism of capitalism. I think you are just more sensitive to criticism of Marx and communism than some others just as some others are more sensitive to criticism of capitalism. :)

So, someone spends all their time on this forum criticizing Joe Biden and the Democrats, after a while do we start suspecting this person is probably a Republican or does subtext just not exist?
 
Actually he didn't. He said that famine under Lenin happened before famine under Stalin.
And I added that famines happened before that multiple times, in case he is unaware of that. Didn't say a word about praise of Romanovs.
 
So, someone spends all their time on this forum criticizing Joe Biden and the Democrats, after a while do we start suspecting this person is probably a Republican or does subtext just not exist?
Long posting history will certainly tell the tale about one's overall positions. But in this case the issue was very focused. I cannot recall any recent threads on Tsarist Russia in which anyone has said that pre 1917 Russia was better than post. Now maybe Amadeus is a closet monarchist in regards to Russia, but being critical of Stalin or Lenin does not make one so.
 
And I added that famines happened before that multiple times, in case he is unaware of that. Didn't say a word about praise of Romanovs.
He did not contest that either. It was Lexicus that brought up criticizing Communism was praise for the Romanovs.
 
He did not contest that either. It was Lexicus that brought up criticizing Communism was praise for the Romanovs.
The famine of 1921-1923 happened during Civil War and it's well documented that the Soviet government tried to get international help and took other serious efforts to relieve the situation.
Focusing on this specific case while turning blind eye on multiple peacetime famines during Romanovs indeed looked like praise, even if driven purely by anti-communist agenda.
 
He did not contest that either. It was Lexicus that brought up criticizing Communism was praise for the Romanovs.

The Romanovs were off-stage by the time the civil war started. The problem then was not the royals, it was the aristocracy at large and their allies.

well documented that the Soviet government tried to get international help and took other serious efforts to relieve the situation.

I was under the impression that the Soviet government officially denied the famine was happening at all. The 1937 census was even kept secret since the population decline revealed the extent of the problem.
 
I was under the impression that the Soviet government officially denied the famine was happening at all.
Not during 1921-1923 famine. Bolsheviks didn't control whole country's territory back then and Lenin officially requested aid from "all honest European and American people".
 
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