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Holy City question
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magicalsushi
Prince
Genv [FP];6849216 said:
I read a post here recently which said that religion can only spread naturally from a holy city (spreading a religion via missionaries is a different matter). If this is true, doesn't it mean that a religion will stop spreading naturally if its holy city is destroyed, and would need to be spread pro-actively instead?
As far as I know, religions spread naturally from city to city - Even if you aren't the founder w/ holy city
The main game affect of raizing a holy city is that everybody with that state religion will become 
at you; it's one of the bigest negative point modifiers.
Holy Citys can be extremely profitable; I personally wouldn't raize a holy city unless I was postive I couldn't hold it.
at you; it's one of the bigest negative point modifiers.Holy Citys can be extremely profitable; I personally wouldn't raize a holy city unless I was postive I couldn't hold it.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
You'd have to be a fool to raise a holy city... they are the biggest cash-cows in the game.
I have a problem, I am playing a Prince game with Rameses, I think its me and 6 other Civs (or whatever the standard number is for a Standard sized map) and its a Normal speed game.
All but 1 Civ is Hindu atm and I don't have the Holy City, is it worth trying to take the Holy City or best to wait and hope Civs split off into other religions as time progresses? Maybe even put some spy's to work changing religions. The obvious reason I am worried is cos the Civ with the Holy City could get far to powerful for my liking ...
Sax.
P.s - Sorry for hijacking your thread but it jogged my memory
All but 1 Civ is Hindu atm and I don't have the Holy City, is it worth trying to take the Holy City or best to wait and hope Civs split off into other religions as time progresses? Maybe even put some spy's to work changing religions. The obvious reason I am worried is cos the Civ with the Holy City could get far to powerful for my liking ...
Sax.
P.s - Sorry for hijacking your thread but it jogged my memory
I am pretty sure all natural religious spread is via the holy city, your average city can't spread its religion without missionaries.
As to razing holy cities, if you already have a couple religions, and know you won't be spreading that one (or won't get the GP) then it makes sense, more likely to get your wanted religions to spread naturally.
Safix: it depends on the situation.
First: where is the city (if it is owned by some teching civ right on your border, go for it. if it is deep in a well defended empire, that may be a problem.
Second: who owns it. If it is Issy, you may be in for some fun. If it is owned by Toku, it probably won't matter.
Third: is the religion actually widespread or just like 1 city per civ (in which case you may be able to convert people via missionaries rather easily).
Fourth: How far into the game (if only Buddhism and Hinduism have been founded, then some time may solve all problems.
Rally there are two many variables, but one certainty: if you can easily get it at little cost, grab it since holy cities are cash cows, especially if someone spread it for you.
Not true, any city with religion has a chance to spread it to other cities without any religion it is connected to. Shrines just increase the probability it would happen. With a shrine, you newly built cities will often get the religion within a few turns if they are connected. Otherwise, it usually takes much longer, so perhaps you're too diligent spreading it with missionaries
.I am sorry, but unless you have some evidence I will tend to lean towards my playing experience (though true there rarely are razed holy cities), and more importantly I am inclined to believe VoiceOfUnreason over someone I have no experiance hearing from in these regards.
Well, that's what pedia says -- a city with religion will spread it to those it is connected to, religious buildings, shrines in particular, increase the speed. Not sure what kind of evidence would prove it, short of razing the holy city and playing for a while (and it would have to be early enough in the game that there are some cities without any religion).
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Simply put, you shouldn't be considering razing a Holy City, whether or not it's your religion because of the cash income it will generate... and if it spreads more religion, the better for you (more money!).
Not always. Maybe your GP generation is set up so that it would be unlikely to get a Prophet and, especially if you already have a more widespread shrine or two, the holy city of a fairly uncommon religion isn't all that valuable. In this case I would treat it as any other city.Now if there already was a shrine, then never would never raze it, unless I just raze an enemy holy city to destroy their income and then make peace later.
Woody:
If you have a reason for that please explain. The pedia is quite good compared to similar things in other games, but, unless you have something else to add, I would still believe VoiceOfUnreason before it. Not to say he is infallible, but he is the best source I have on this, and I have never seen a religion spread without a holy city (and no, I often don't diligently spread with missionaries, I often tend to put them off for "just one more building/unit").
VoiceOfUnreason said:
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Not quite; coroporate headquarters can make a lot more money.
Holy shrines come into play a lot earlier though, making a lot more money over the course of the game.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Yeah... and sometimes you get two or three religions founded in the same city... mega-cash-cow!
NintendoTogepi
Noble Pacifist
Genv [FP];6853006 said:
What?
