Homosexuals: What exactly is it you find attractive in the same sex?

Pretty straight-forward question.

To state it simply:

Heterosexual men are mostly attracted to good-looking women.
Heterosexual women are mostly attracted to high-status men.

One can of course expand on what good-looking and high-status means, but it is quite self-evident, so I'll drop it for now.

But what is it homosexuals are attracted to? The same as heterosexuals, i.e. homosexual women are attracted to good-looking women, and homosexual men to high-status men? Or is it reversed? Or something else?

I know we have a few homosexuals who I hope will answer here, but of course, anyone else who knows or have some theories, feel free to join in as well.

You can't generalize like that. I (a heterosexual) am attracted to far more than looks, for example. Intelligence is a big factor, as well as a number of other things that have nothing to do with looks.

You might as well ask "What kind of cheese do black people like?"
 
Well yeah I guess you could cut it down to that but I thought I'd give you some specifics.
Specific are always nice. :)

But in the interest of generalisation, I shortened it a bit.
Ah good questions there, reminded me of a few things.

1. Intelligence is an obvious one that I forgot. They have to be inteligent, and usually this means fairly well educated. I prefer them to be similar in inteligence to me, if they are much less then conversationally we might struggle and if they are much more then they can come across as too patronising/superior.

2. Wealth isn't something I consider. Obviously its nice if they have a little bit of cash, and I wouldn't want to have to support them all the time, so so long as they're not broke it's no issue.

3. I'm 6ft2, so between maybe 5ft9 and 6ft4? Just for logistical reasons more then anything else :lol:.

4. I'm 18, and I'd go for anything between the age of 17 and 26.

5. Ahaa. No I like hair. Baldness is a no no, although I'm sure I will become more accepting of it as I get older. They also have to have a fashionable/nice hairstyle, and it can't be longer then shoulder length at the most.

6. They should be fairly sociable yeah. I don't go for guys that are total recluses.

7. I prefer fairly little body hair. Don't like chest hair or facial hair.
Interesting. I have two more follow-up questions, if you don't mind:

- When you are 30, which ages of men do you think (or just take a wild guess :p) you will be interested in?

And can you rank these occupations as to what you would prefer a guy to have (if you wanna give some reasons for the ranking that would be great), or if you have no preferences:
- Business owner
- Doctor
- Help desk operator
- Engineer
- Mid-level manager
- Construction worker
- Police officer
- Accountant
- Stockbroker
- Successful artist/writer/musician/athlete
- CEO
- Janitor

ONLY A SITH DEALS IN ABSOLUTES! SHUT UP! :aargh:




;)
Glad to know you are also part of the dark side. :D
 
You can't generalize like that. I (a heterosexual) am attracted to far more than looks, for example. Intelligence is a big factor, as well as a number of other things that have nothing to do with looks.

You might as well ask "What kind of cheese do black people like?"
Intelligence you say. Feel free to add some more factors that make you attracted. Could be interesting to see. :)

But in general, yeah, I am confident that I can generalise like this. The outer appearance of a woman is far more important for how attracted you are than things like intelligence, education and career.

Of course, you can be extremely attracted to someone, and still feel like there is no way in hell you can live with her or have a relationship with her. But that still doesn't mean you don't find her attractive.
 
Specific are always nice. :)

But in the interest of generalisation, I shortened it a bit.
Interesting. I have two more follow-up questions, if you don't mind:

- When you are 30, which ages of men do you think (or just take a wild guess :p) you will be interested in?

And can you rank these occupations as to what you would prefer a guy to have (if you wanna give some reasons for the ranking that would be great), or if you have no preferences:
- Business owner
- Doctor
- Help desk operator
- Engineer
- Mid-level manager
- Construction worker
- Police officer
- Accountant
- Stockbroker
- Successful artist/writer/musician/athlete
- CEO
- Janitor

I think maybe 25-35, but the closer in age the better I would think.

As for the occupations, I'm 18 so the occupations I'm more familiar with are waitor, checkout-guy etc but I'll try to play along :p. I'd struggle to put them in order but I can group them.

Mid-level manager
Police officer
Successful artist/writer/musician/athlete

Engineer
Stockbroker
Accountant

Doctor
Construction worker
CEO
Janitor
Help desk operator
Business owner

The first group are probably my preferred choices. I'd want them to be successful, but if they were extremely successful I might feel like I couldn't really compare, which is why CEO is out. Mid-level Manager is something I see myself probably doing in the future, and so something similar would be good. Police Officers are probably quite likely to look after themselves and so might be more likely to fit with my other requirements. Successful artist/writer/musician would be a really interesting and creative person. However, an athlete would probably be too much in terms of fitness/muscle etc.

Middle group I don't have much to say about. Accounting and engineering are really dull fields in my opinion, and I'd struggle to be at all interested in their work.

Doctors are kinda too high-flying for me, but they're work is probably also too stressful and they work too long hours. Same with CEO and business owner. Business owners are probably likely to be financially risky which isn't really compatible with me.

Janitor and help desk operator are imo too unsuccessful. Construction workers don't tend to be the brightest (or gay for that matter :lol:)


To be honest, I wouldn't consider occupation a massively important thing. It's only really that important when it relates to more important things like their lifestyle for example.
 
Intelligence you say. Feel free to add some more factors that make you attracted. Could be interesting to see. :)

The way she carries herself, her views on a number of topics, how informed she is about current events, and a whole bunch of things I wouldn't even know how to describe

But in general, yeah, I am confident that I can generalise like this. The outer appearance of a woman is far more important for how attracted you are than things like intelligence, education and career.

Yeah, outer appearance is a large factor for me.. but that's because men are such visual creatures.

The way you generalized heterosexual women seems a bit off the mark though. And I expect a large variety in what homosexual men (or women) find attractive, but I suppose I could be wrong.
 
Right. :crazyeye:

I'm not gonna go to high up in age here to make it ridiculous, but are you trying to tell me you find the first group of women more attractive than the second group?

Come on, that's a pretty lousy argument. If you posted pics of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and Rupert Murdoch, and then compared them to pictures of male models, do you think women are going to say they are physically attracted to the former over the latter?

If women actually found the successful types attractive, they wouldn't be cheating on them with the sexy latino poolboys.
 
Pretty straight-forward question.

To state it simply:

Heterosexual men are mostly attracted to good-looking women.
Heterosexual women are mostly attracted to high-status men.

One can of course expand on what good-looking and high-status means, but it is quite self-evident, so I'll drop it for now.

But what is it homosexuals are attracted to? The same as heterosexuals, i.e. homosexual women are attracted to good-looking women, and homosexual men to high-status men? Or is it reversed? Or something else?

I know we have a few homosexuals who I hope will answer here, but of course, anyone else who knows or have some theories, feel free to join in as well.

You can disagree with me, but if you want to through homosexual men in one overgeneralized category they are more concerned with 1. level of masculinity, 2. intellegince/personality, 3. size (of what? take a guess).

Go to any gay dating site, etc, and one of the dominant conversations is do you like masculine or feminane gay guys ( either straight acting or camps as Ekolite pointed out). It's usually masculine btw.

The rest is self explanatory. But which is more important #2 or #3? most say #2, but that doesn't mean that they don't really think #3 is more important. Just my contribution to this.
 
I think maybe 25-35, but the closer in age the better I would think.

As for the occupations, I'm 18 so the occupations I'm more familiar with are waitor, checkout-guy etc but I'll try to play along :p. I'd struggle to put them in order but I can group them.

Mid-level manager
Police officer
Successful artist/writer/musician/athlete

Engineer
Stockbroker
Accountant

Doctor
Construction worker
CEO
Janitor
Help desk operator
Business owner

The first group are probably my preferred choices. I'd want them to be successful, but if they were extremely successful I might feel like I couldn't really compare, which is why CEO is out. Mid-level Manager is something I see myself probably doing in the future, and so something similar would be good. Police Officers are probably quite likely to look after themselves and so might be more likely to fit with my other requirements. Successful artist/writer/musician would be a really interesting and creative person. However, an athlete would probably be too much in terms of fitness/muscle etc.

Middle group I don't have much to say about. Accounting and engineering are really dull fields in my opinion, and I'd struggle to be at all interested in their work.

Doctors are kinda too high-flying for me, but they're work is probably also too stressful and they work too long hours. Same with CEO and business owner. Business owners are probably likely to be financially risky which isn't really compatible with me.

Janitor and help desk operator are imo too unsuccessful. Construction workers don't tend to be the brightest (or gay for that matter :lol:)


To be honest, I wouldn't consider occupation a massively important thing. It's only really that important when it relates to more important things like their lifestyle for example.
You can disagree with me, but if you want to through homosexual men in one overgeneralized category they are more concerned with 1. level of masculinity, 2. intellegince/personality, 3. size (of what? take a guess).

Go to any gay dating site, etc, and one of the dominant conversations is do you like masculine or feminane gay guys ( either straight acting or camps as Ekolite pointed out). It's usually masculine btw.

The rest is self explanatory. But which is more important #2 or #3? most say #2, but that doesn't mean that they don't really think #3 is more important. Just my contribution to this.
Very interesting. Thanks. :)

So, if I may be so bold as to try to sum this up, and - using only two datapoints - generalise what homosexual men are attracted to (Yes, I know I should have more data, but I like to refine the conclusions as more data appears rather than wait with the conclusion):

1. Like other men, good looks are really important. The preferred looks are the same as what heterosexual women prefers.
2. Being that both partners are men, there is an issue of "rivalry", in lack of a better word. Feelings of too much superiority or inferiority can develop if their differences are too great in certain fields:
- One notable exception to the desired looks would be that their heights should be more or less equal.
- Homosexual men do like a high-status mate, like heterosexual women. But there is a greater need for being of near equal status than there is among heterosexual men and women (where men have little problem with a good-looking, but lower status woman, and women have no problem with a higher-status man).
- Likewise, their age gap can not be too wide.
- Homosexual men do not have the wish of being a supported partner, nor would they want to support their partner (Again, this is unlike heterosexuals, where men generally are okay with supporting their partner, and many women would prefer to be supported).

I'm gonna guess that is a somewhat accurate summary.

Hope nobody feel I am too out of line with this. :)

The way she carries herself, her views on a number of topics, how informed she is about current events, and a whole bunch of things I wouldn't even know how to describe
But those are all less important than looks, especially for short-term relationships.

Yeah, outer appearance is a large factor for me.. but that's because men are such visual creatures.
Yes. Yes, we are.

The way you generalized heterosexual women seems a bit off the mark though. And I expect a large variety in what homosexual men (or women) find attractive, but I suppose I could be wrong.
Not as much as you would think actually.

Attractive looks for men (which is much more important for homosexual men than for women, but becomes more important the less a potential partner knows about you) are:
- Age (around 30+/-5 being optimal, but for homosexual men should be closer to their age)
- Height
- Fatness (too skinny is bad, having a stomach or worse is bad)
- Muscles (a toned body and some visible muscles are good, but too much becomes a turnoff for most interested women and men)
- Full head of hair (if one is dark skinned, it is more acceptable to be bald. Receding hair is a no-no)
- Facial structure (sorry, I'm a bit of a loss on this one, but visible cheek bones, strong, separate eyebrows and first and foremost a symmetrical face is I believe, some of the answer)
- Being well-dressed (for the occasion)

However, the most important factors that heterosexual women look for in men are (which more or less all translate into status):
- Income/wealth (something like $70,000/year and up is good)
- Occupation (Doctor, CEO, Stockbroker, Business owner, Successful artist/writer/musician/athlete > Engineer, Accountant, Mid-level manager, Police officer > Construction worker, Janitor, Help desk operator)
- Own house, car, etc.
(Being young (college-age/younger, or late 20's (possibly even early 30's) gives you some leeway if you don't measure up on these first 3.)
- Size and composition of the man's social circle.
- Intelligence
- Behaviour

I think (now) that homosexual men share many of the same view as heterosexual women, with the caveat that too great status-gaps limits the viability of a long-term relationship.
 
Yes, really.
I'm not objecting to the fact that guys like good-looking women, but the fact that women are only attracted to people with money. You essentially just called an entire gender gold-diggers.

Protip: Women have sexual attraction too.
 
Come on, that's a pretty lousy argument. If you posted pics of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and Rupert Murdoch, and then compared them to pictures of male models, do you think women are going to say they are physically attracted to the former over the latter?
No, to make that comparison I should have posted pictures of Liliane Bettencourt (83), Christy Walton (51) and Alice Walton (56). :p

But seriously, then you would base it only on looks, and women do of course have a preference in looks, and an ability to differentiate between which men are more or less good looking.

Do you think a woman would be more or less attracted if she found herself on a date with a male model or, say, one of these:
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Mikhail Prokhorov (45) ($13.4 billion net worth)
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Joseph Lau (59) ($1.8 billion net worth)
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Albert von Thurn und Taxis (Royalty!) (27) ($2.2 billion net worth)

If women actually found the successful types attractive, they wouldn't be cheating on them with the sexy latino poolboys.
Cheating is a tangential problem to mere attraction. But do you have any data on how much more likely a woman married to an elder, rich man is to cheat compared to women married to regular men? :)

I'm not objecting to the fact that guys like good-looking women, but the fact that women are only attracted to people with money. You essentially just called an entire gender gold-diggers.

Protip: Women have sexual attraction too.
A lot of a heterosexual woman's sexual attraction is bound the a man's status. Looks are not insignificant, but status trumps it.

And gold-diggers are more women who try to marry and then get away with the money, no? Besides, it's not the money themselves that makes the attraction, but the status. And in our society status is usually connected to money (there are other status markers too of course).
 
Not homosexual, but I have to contest the idea that men only find attractive women....attractive.

I dated a girl once who was a bombshell, through and through, but she was boring, dumb as a rock, was going nowhere in life, and i couldn't deal with it. Left her in the dust and have found since that a balance of physical beauty and a success bringing attitude are far hotter than just beauty.
 
Sexism has once again proven Bill Gates, Ban Ki-Moon and Rupert Murdoch to be the most desirable men on the planet.
 
You're asking for data when you've provided exactly zero data yourself to back up your assertions?
I know I'm not giving any data for most of the statements I'm making in this thread. It is simply because of laziness, as it would take me too long to gather enough data for each of my statements, and because I find the statements to be self-evident, and believe most people are able to see the truth in them too (whether they are comfortable with them or not).

Where I was asking you for data, was when you said that if women marrying older, rich guys were attracted to them, they wouldn't cheat on them. Now, we all know that people cheat. All kinds of people, men and women, whether they are a couple or married, cheat. So unless you will expand your claim to say that all people who cheat are not attracted to their official partner, or can show/argue that women married to older, rich guys cheat more than other women in relationships, I won't put any merit into your point.

Not homosexual, but I have to contest the idea that men only find attractive women....attractive.

I dated a girl once who was a bombshell, through and through, but she was boring, dumb as a rock, was going nowhere in life, and i couldn't deal with it. Left her in the dust and have found since that a balance of physical beauty and a success bringing attitude are far hotter than just beauty.
But you still find attractive girls attractive. ;)

Of course, for a long-term relationship there are several traits that matter, but among those traits, looks have a huge impact. On a scale from 1 to 10, how far down will you go if you find other traits in a woman that matches your desires?
 
Sexism has once again proven Bill Gates, Ban Ki-Moon and Rupert Murdoch to be the most desirable men on the planet.
Way to exaggerate. :)

But let's see then, for the sake of your examples.

Bill Gates:
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Married Melinda Gates. She's 46 now, but doesn't look too bad for her age. They married in '94, when Bill was 38 and Melinda 30. Could he have done "better" in terms of looks or youth? Most likely, but I'm talking about generalisations, and there could be millions of reasons why these two individuals ended up together. And I wouldn't say he ended up badly either.

Ban Ki-Moon:
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Ki-Moon's wife is Yoo Soon-taek. Couldn't find any pictures of her from when she was young either. They met in high school and married about 10 years later. One can definitely find worse-looking mid-60's women.

Rupert Murdoch:
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Murdoch has had three wifes. The latest one is Wendi Deng (41). They married in 99, when she was 30 and Murdoch was 68. Please feel free to say she looks bad for a 30-something woman. His previous two wives were difficult to find pictures of unfortunately.

Why don't we look at Donald Trump too, while we're at it. His wives are more known:
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Ivana Trump (top) and Marla Maples (bottom)

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Melania Trump


And besides, I'm saying status is the most important thing women are looking for in men. Would you like to list the wives of Brad Pitt, Will Smith or Jay-Z? :p
 
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