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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Commodore, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    https://t.co/n1bbdBEdUo

    EU rejects China’s offer of Xinjiang tour, but says it’s open to one later
    • EU says China’s foreign ministry made the invitation on Thursday for a trip that would start this Wednesday
    • A visit would be the first by a large group of Western diplomats to the area since Beijing’s security clampdown drew international condemnation


    Why would you turn down the opportunity to investigate Xinjiang?
     
  2. Commodore

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    What would be the point? If China is inviting them, that means they've already cleaned up the evidence of any wrongdoing and are just trying to gain some kind of false vindication.

    Investigations like this are only valuable when they catch the person/organization being investigated by surprise.
     
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  3. red_elk

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    It's a post-truth era, investigating and finding the truth is beside the point.
    The point is to blame China in atrocities.
     
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  4. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    Ah, so the only solution is nuclear war.

    well, lads, we had a good run.
     
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  5. Commodore

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    No one is interested in finding China's "truth".
     
  6. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    I tend to believe the human rights groups that first reported on this since they were able to do a covert investigation without giving the Chinese time to sanitize everything and make it look like it's on the up-and-up.

    And apparently all of the legitimate governments of the world agree and believe those human rights groups too. The evidence has already been presented so the rest of the world doesn't really need to hear what the illegitimate government of the sick man of Asia has to say on the matter.
     
  8. innonimatu

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    Why is obvious from what you posted: not enough time to set up a proper mission for that tour. Which is why the answer was "later". The chinese had to know they were not offering enough time, it was no accident the way this offer was made. If they are seriously open to allowing a tour there they answer will be "sure, when you're ready". But I do not believe they were serious.
     
  9. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    We also believe the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation which counts the Nazi soldiers and those who died from COVID-19 as "victims of communism."

    womp womp



    If only you could be this passionately opposed to prison labor in America and the total annihilation of countries that don't bend the knee to D.C.
     
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  10. Takhisis

    Takhisis Free Hong Kong

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    Yes, why not? You see, the last overt junta government here (March 1976- December 83) was one that had support and assistance in killing and torturing people by the thousands from the United States and the Soviet Union simultaneously, except for a brief window of decency from the US during Jimmy Carter's presidency (with Ford and later Reagan they were the usual).

    The U.S.A. and the USSR turned South America into a children's playground-battleground with actual deaths, which has caused conflicts that are still unresolved from that time and have caused economic, social and cultural damage at a structural level which can be seen in this part of the world being one of the world's breadbaskets while at the same time undergoing chronic malnutrition and the occasional famine.

    For this region, both sides of the cold war were evil. Look at Chile: the US decided to spend 40 million dollars (fifty-years-ago dollars) toppling Allende's government. While at the same time the Soviet Union was using the country as a nexus for siphoning future terrorists to Prague and thence to Cuba for training in the revolutionary arts. We are screwed whichever way we go.

    And no, it's not an ad hominem just because you say it is. That is just strawmanning from you.
    ^This. China's government is a monstrosity. Just because the U.S. of A. is not as bad as the Chinese government does not mean that it is not bad on its own.
     
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    Which terrorists?

    May be not ad hominem, right.
    Whatever it's called when you question your opponents mental wellness instead of addressing his arguments.
     
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    What a weird take, considering Apple just reported record third quarter revenue, including for iPhone, during the midst of the pandemic.
     
  13. Crezth

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...nts-well-taliban-fighters-afghanistan-n845876

    U.S. targets Chinese Uighur militants as well as Taliban fighters in Afghanistan

    Feb. 8, 2018, 10:49 AM EST / Updated Feb. 8, 2018, 10:48 AM EST
    By F. Brinley Bruton and Tony Brown

    The U.S. military says it carried out a series of punishing bombings last weekend of Taliban militant camps that also support a separatist Chinese terror group.

    A bombing raid Sunday on a region bordering China and Tajikistan set a record for the number of precision-guided munitions launched at one time from a B-52 bomber, according to Air Force Maj. Gen. James Hecker, who spoke to reporters at the Pentagon in a video teleconference from Kabul on Wednesday. The B-52 — a Cold War workhorse — had recently been modified to carry more munitions, the military said in a statement.

    The camps in remote Badakhshan Province supported Taliban operations within Afghanistan and by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement — set up by members of China's minority Uighur community — on the border region with China and Tajikistan, the military said.​
     
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    Yes, some of China's jails can be as bad as those in many other countries.
    Did the article mention the guy's prior drug-related convictions? That's the kind of jail you get sentenced to for those sort of crimes as well.
     
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    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/08/08/hong-kong-western-media-yellowfacing-amnesty/

    A prominent Hong Kong pundit and anti-China activist named Kong Tsung-gan has become a go-to source for Western media. An investigation by The Grayzone confirms Kong as a fake identity employed by an American teacher who’s a ubiquitous figure at local protests.
    By Max Blumenthal

    An American man with ties to Amnesty International and key Hong Kong separatist figures has been posing online as a Hong Kong native named Kong Tsung-gan. Routinely cited as a grassroots activist and writer by major media organizations and published in English-language media, the fictitious character Kong appears to have been concocted to disseminate anti-China propaganda behind the cover of yellowface.

    Through Kong Tsung-gan’s prolific digital presence and uninterrogated reputation in mainstream Western media, he disseminates a constant stream of content hyping up the Hong Kong “freedom struggle” while clamoring for the US to turn up the heat on China.

     
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    up yours!
    I am asking you, without second intentions, how much do you know about the history of the region.

    Some examples of terrorism here: the still existent FARC and ELN in Colombia, which are part of the Venezuelan-Cuban drug circuit, for one thing.
    But there's many others, such as Montoneros, ERP, FAP, FAR et al. here in Argentina, and more, whose stated purpose was to abolish democracy. They called themselves ‘the people’ and purposed to rule in the name of God, socialism and ‘the people’ without ever having asked even one of those three. The Shining Path in Peru?

    Unless you want to fall into the logical fallacy that if somebody opposes something evil then that somebody must therefore be good, then you might have a grasp on this. I am quite willing to explain this kind of thing, because most people here on CFC who issue opinions on Latin America generally know nothing about the place.
    I have actually addressed his arguments. If he chooses to not even answer it's not my fault. If he also choose to argue by assertion and circular logic (‘It's not torture because I say it is not and because I've said it before and because those doing it say it's not torture’) then the fallacy's not on my side of the argument.

    Regarding his mental wellness, again, you're misrepresenting my position.
    aelf said that Ferocitus is a nihilist. I posit, on the contrary, that he very much cares and I am stating why, actually referring to Ferocitus' highly pertinent own statements regarding that issue.
    The rest is just eisegesis.

    And specifically, yes, I do consider the people of many countries to be victims of their governments. In the US with slavery and the genocide of Native Americans it is rather obvious. So it is in the case of the Soviet Union with its leadership sending out millions to die in wars of aggression for their own personal aggrandisement, and of course the artificial famine and purges in the 1930s.
    I know that victims don't like to admit to being victims, but that is another thing.
     
  18. red_elk

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    I have no doubt that there are plenty of terrorist and violent groups in Latin America. I asked specifically what you were referring to, talking about USSR supporting terrorists in the region and "siphoning" them to Prague and Cuba.

    What purges of 30-s and "artificial" famine have to do with people living in present day Russia and Australia?
    Perhaps you didn't know that, but Stalin's policies were denounced and condemned in USSR in 50-s.
    By your logic, people who support USA now must be also suffering from Stockholm syndrome, because of slave trade and genocide of Native Americans somewhere in XIX century.
     
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    That must have been the soviet union's "war of aggression" against the nazis, because in no other did the soviet union sent out millions who died...
    Did some nazi hiding in Argentina tell you that tale?

    And you could even point to the winter war if you wanted to accuse the USSR of wars of aggression (debatable, but mostly it was) with high casualties. But always you exaggerate and end up saying falsehoods.
     
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    Just another fad. Like Western protests against China asserting control of HK. :)
     

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