Hoover Dam

[tao]

The Wonder giving a great boost to production in the Industrial Times is Hoover Dam: free hydro plant in every city. No polution like the coal plants. No maintenance. Thus we want it.

But: Hoover costs 1000 shields. Hoover must be build in a city on a river (thus not in Groton).

Deux Riviere IS on a river, but since it is our capital, we cannot prebuild. Thus I propose to start a new Palace as Hoover-prebuild in Vandelay right now. Looking at the city display shows the potential. If we micromanage as alreasy done in the picture, railroad the worked flood plains, plains, and mountains, we get about 25-26 shields and Hoover in about 38-40 turns. A long time project.

We could hope for a Great Leader, but that is not assured, we still want to build our first army, Shakespeare's and Magellan's are also available or will be available soon. And Universal Suffrage. Thus: let's build it piece by piece.

I assumed (of course) that Groton builds Theory of Evolution (about 20 turns once iron works is finished).

And the DP railroads the Vandelay tiles worked.

 

[Sarevok]

my plan was to have Groton build the TOE actually...

This is also what I had in mind for Hoover Dam, Vandelay is one of our strongest cities as far as shields are concerned. This is a good place to put it and it is an excellent wonder to get.

- Sarevok
Minister of Internal Affairs.

 

[Chieftess]

If we get get to ToE first, then we won't have to worry about a cascade to Hoover's.

1 - We'd be the first to that tech.
2 - Industrial Wonders are a rarity.

 

[Black_Hole]

but the thing with hoovers is(unless it was changed in a patch) is that it has no effect on cities without a factory, because u cant normally build power plants without factories. i think other wonders are a better idea (like toe)

 

[ravensfire]

Originally posted by Black_Hole9
but the thing with hoovers is(unless it was changed in a patch) is that it has no effect on cities without a factory, because u cant normally build power plants without factories. i think other wonders are a better idea (like toe)

You are correct.

The normal plan is to build the ToE, and get Atomic Theory and Electronics as the two free techs. Then, the city pre-building for the Dam switches to the Dam (which is available with Electronics), and completes it.

Although it's effect is not immediate, the long-term benefits of the HD are profound, as the major cities gain a free power plant that generates no pollution.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Chieftess]

Personally, I think DR would be the better choice for Hoover's. It's got nearly 30spt, and we could take it up to 40spt (50spt with a factory). Why starve a city when we could build it in atleast 16 turns with DR? DR could prebuild with Universal Suffrage maybe.

Even if we don't, we have an 8 turn lead, since the AI needs to have 2 techs after Sci. Meth. to even start building Hoover's.

 

[tao]

Let's assume 50 spt. That means 20 turns. And it can't pre-build with Palace.

Vandelay needs about 38 turns.

Groton needs 20 turns (after 10 more turns of research) to do ToE.

Thus Vandelay will finish Hoover 8 turns after we learn ToE.

DR would need 20 turns.

q.e.d.

 

[Chieftess]

Groton is now producing 70spt, just to let you know. (12 turn build time) Also note that Groton DOES have a river within its' border (a river gives river-tile status to tiles on both sides of the river, and the river bend). In 8 turns, we can build a factory, and coal plant in Groton. We can build hoover in 8 turns in Groton, with the ToE in Vandelay. We'll also have Universal Suffrage as a prebuild in Groton if you're so concerned about not getting that wonder...

Wonders and Improvements that require a river, only require that river-affected tiles be within the city radius, not next to the city.

 

[tao]

You are correct. I checked an older save and the Hoover building city need not be on a river, it just has to have a river tile in its city radius.

Thus we are free to discuss and decide:

Whether we switch Vandelay to Universal Suffrage or ToE or keep the Palce prebuild.
Whether to build ToE in Groton or Deux Riviere.
Whether to build factories first.
Whether to hurry coal plants and where.
Where do we want to build Shakespeare's, which will become available sooner or later?

 

[Sarevok]

id say ToE in Groton.

 

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by tao
You are correct. I checked an older save and the Hoover building city need not be on a river, it just has to have a river tile in its city radius.

Thus we are free to discuss and decide:

Whether we switch Vandelay to Universal Suffrage or ToE or keep the Palce prebuild.
Whether to build ToE in Groton or Deux Riviere.
Whether to build factories first.
Whether to hurry coal plants and where.
Where do we want to build Shakespeare's, which will become available sooner or later?

Groton can build a factory right now, and then a coal plant right after that (4 turns for each, 8 turns total). It'll probably be another 8-12 turns before we get to Hoover, so it's more than enough time.

Also, if we're building ToE, we can see if we can research a tech before the wonder is finished (i.e., a tech in 5 turns if there's 5 turns left on the wonder. The tech cycle finishes before the city cycle in Civ3).