Horses in N. America on MS WorldMap?

[Pythagorus]

ATTN: C3C Guru's

I am just starting the Marla Singer's worldmap as the Americans and was wondering if anyone knows if there are horses located in North America on this map? I haven't run across any yet and thought that they would be there to be a real world depiction of the resources located there.

Thanks in advance, Pythagorus

 

[Sukenis]

Horses were not native to North & South America. If the map is trying to be historically accurate, there will be no horses at all. This can be bad if you play the Iriquios.

 

[Masquerouge]

Yup, that's right. Horses were brought by european settlers and conquistadores.
One must admit they adapted quite well, though

 

[Pythagorus]

So where did the Native Americans get them?

 

[Masquerouge]

From european settlers and conquistadores...
I guess some animals ran loose but survived.
The Native Americans had no horses before that time.
Funny fact, eh ? You'll go to sleep smarter, tonight

 

[Pythagorus]

Well slap my delete and call me smarter! Thanks gentlemen.

Unless you're talking about the animal, keep the language down.

 

[Pythagorus]

Let's just say that I was talking about the animal. They probably were not native to the America's either!

 

[Smoked_Ham]

well at one time there was horses but they died off way before Euro Settlers got here. But a island off North Carolina has them because a herd of Horses "settled" after the ship carrying them sunk.

 

[Sukenis]

If you are a history buff, the Mesoamericans refered to horses as HUGE DEER that carried there masters everywhere. Central North American natives (Missouri area) refered to them as massive dogs.

 

[budweiser]

That's all fine, but the fact is that native americans captured wild horses on the plains. There should be a resource for them on the map. Its not like they traded for them with Spain.

 

[Padma]

Since we're talking about Marla's map, and resource placement, I am moving this to the Creation & Customization forum.

 

[Redking]

This points to a basic flaw in the game, that resources are not manufacturable after being developed from their wild root.

Ie, you can't breed a viable crop of maize and then go and distribute that renewable resource elsewhere. Same goes for horses.

The game would ideally have random seeds. Like good huts, a resource icon like game could be later developed into a dray animal, based on some internal roll of the dice. That dray might then further be bred into a viable military mount. It might be further manufactured (herding small improvements) and transferred elsewhere in that society, or abroad.

It was one of histories great ironies that the equines evolved in the Americas (as did the camelids, I believe), only to migrate and then perish at their point of origin.

 

[aaglo]

Yep, there were horses long before the europeans came. But due some climate changes they didn't survive. Unlike moose and buffalo.

 

[Kal-el]

one theory has it that the Native Americans killed them all.

 

[benstandby]

AND ate them. I hear proto-horse made good eatin'.



YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Well, wait a second... I don't think that it could've been the modern species of horse, in which case, I'd imagine, it probably wasn't domesticable or ridable or both.

 

[Yoda Power]

If you want to know if Marla placed horses, why dont you just look at the map in the editor?

 

[tjedge1]

Originally posted by benstandby
AND ate them. I hear proto-horse made good eatin'.



YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

I don't know anyone in my family line that ate horses. We rode them. I prefer Buffalo personally. :arrow:

As far as world maps with no horses in N. America, I always add a resource for mustangs and make it available in the time period the "Euro's came."

 

[CyberChrist]

As far as I can recall then the original wild horses in the americas died out thousands of years ago. The wild horses you all are talking about is probably the domesticated ones that broke loose from the european invaders in one way or another and reverted to a wild status.

One way to get around this problem on a real worldmap in Civ3 might be to make a seperate resource called Wild Horses that only becomes available with Navigation (or something like that so it fits the historical timing of the appearence of horses in america), and then have a duplicate unit for the Iroqouis UU (ie. "Mounted Braves") requiring these wild horses - thus making the UU available with both normal horses and the native wild ones.

 

[Kal-el]

A unit can not have an either or requirement. Oh that it were possible.