Household Ownership Of Guns In US Only 34%?

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One of the major points in recent discussions involving the ownership of guns in the US has revolved around the Gallup Poll which claims that 47% of the households in the US have a gun, despite individual ownership being at 34%.

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This poll result has been used as a rationale to argue that Americans love their guns far more than any other modern society. That they would likely not back any measures to further restrict gun ownership by any means. That gun ownership was actually increasing instead of declining.

But according to the General Social Survey, which has been polling American families on a variety of different issues since the 70s to establish long term trends, the actual percentage of households that own guns is apparently far less. That it is now at a 4-decade low and continues to drop.

NY Times: Share of Homes With Guns Shows 4-Decade Decline

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The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture.

The gun ownership rate has fallen across a broad cross section of households since the early 1970s, according to data from the General Social Survey, a public opinion survey conducted every two years that asks a sample of American adults if they have guns at home, among other questions.

The rate has dropped in cities large and small, in suburbs and rural areas and in all regions of the country. It has fallen among households with children, and among those without. It has declined for households that say they are very happy, and for those that say they are not. It is down among churchgoers and those who never sit in pews.

The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times.


In 2012, the share of American households with guns was 34 percent, according to survey results released on Thursday. Researchers said the difference compared with 2010, when the rate was 32 percent, was not statistically significant.

The findings contrast with the impression left by a flurry of news reports about people rushing to buy guns and clearing shop shelves of assault rifles after the massacre last year at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

“There are all these claims that gun ownership is going through the roof,” said Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. “But I suspect the increase in gun sales has been limited mostly to current gun owners. The most reputable surveys show a decline over time in the share of households with guns.”


That decline, which has been studied by researchers for years but is relatively unknown among the general public, suggests that even as the conversation on guns remains contentious, a broad shift away from gun ownership is under way in a growing number of American homes. It also raises questions about the future politics of gun control. Will efforts to regulate guns eventually meet with less resistance if they are increasingly concentrated in fewer hands — or more resistance?

Detailed data on gun ownership is scarce. Though some states reported household gun ownership rates in the 1990s, it was not until the early 2000s that questions on the presence of guns at home were asked on a broad federal public health survey of several hundred thousand people, making it possible to see the rates in all states.

But by the mid-2000s, the federal government stopped asking the questions, leaving researchers to rely on much smaller surveys, like the General Social Survey, which is conducted by NORC, a research center at the University of Chicago.

Measuring the level of gun ownership can be a vexing problem, with various recent national polls reporting rates between 35 percent and 52 percent. Responses can vary because the survey designs and the wording of questions differ.

But researchers say the survey done by the center at the University of Chicago is crucial because it has consistently tracked gun ownership since 1973, asking if respondents “happen to have in your home (or garage) any guns or revolvers.”


The center’s 2012 survey, conducted mostly in person but also by phone, involved interviews with about 2,000 people from March to September and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

Gallup, which asks a similar question but has a different survey design, shows a higher ownership rate and a more moderate decrease. No national survey tracks the number of guns within households.

Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said he was skeptical that there had been a decline in household ownership. He pointed to reports of increased gun sales, to long waits for gun safety training classes and to the growing number of background checks, which have surged since the late 1990s, as evidence that ownership is rising.

“I’m sure there are a lot of people who would love to make the case that there are fewer gun owners in this country, but the stories we’ve been hearing and the data we’ve been seeing simply don’t support that,
” he said.

Tom W. Smith, the director of the General Social Survey, which is financed by the National Science Foundation, said he was confident in the trend. It lines up, he said, with two evolving patterns in American life: the decline of hunting and a sharp drop in violent crime, which has made the argument for self-protection much less urgent.

According to an analysis of the survey, only a quarter of men in 2012 said they hunted, compared with about 40 percent when the question was asked in 1977.

Mr. Smith acknowledged the rise in background checks, but said it was impossible to tell how many were for new gun owners. The checks are reported as one total that includes, for example, people buying their second or third gun, as well as those renewing concealed carry permits.

“If there was a national registry that recorded all firearm purchases, we’d have a full picture,” he said. “But there’s not, so we’ve got to put together pieces.”

The survey does not ask about the legality of guns in the home. Illegal guns are a factor in some areas but represent a very small fraction of ownership in the country, said Aaron Karp, an expert on gun policy at the Small Arms Survey in Geneva and at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va. He said estimates of the total number of guns in the United States ranged from 280 million to 320 million.

The geographic patterns were some of the most surprising in the General Social Survey, researchers said. Gun ownership in both the South and the mountain region, which includes states like Montana, New Mexico and Wyoming, dropped to less than 40 percent of households this decade, down from 65 percent in the 1970s. The Northeast, where the household ownership rate is lowest, changed the least, at 22 percent this decade, compared with 29 percent in the 1970s.

Age groups presented another twist. While household ownership of guns among elderly Americans remained virtually unchanged from the 1970s to this decade at about 43 percent, ownership among young Americans plummeted. Household gun ownership among Americans under the age of 30 fell to 23 percent this decade from 47 percent in the 1970s. The survey showed a similar decline for Americans ages 30 to 44.

As for politics, the survey showed a steep drop in household gun ownership among Democrats and independents, and a very slight decline among Republicans. But the new data suggest a reversal among Republicans, with 51 percent since 2008 saying they have a gun in their home, up from 47 percent in surveys taken from 2000 through 2006. This leaves the Republican rate a bit below where it was in the 1970s, while ownership for Democrats is nearly half of what it was in that decade.

Researchers offered different theories for these trends.

Many Americans were introduced to guns through military service, which involved a large part of the population in the Vietnam War era, Dr. Webster said. Now that the Army is volunteer and a small fraction of the population, it is less a gateway for gun ownership, he said.

Urbanization also helped drive the decline. Rural areas, where gun ownership is the highest, are now home to about 17 percent of Americans, down from 27 percent in the 1970s. According to the survey, just 23 percent of households in cities owned guns in the 2000s, compared with 56 percent of households in rural areas. That was down from 70 percent of rural households in the 1970s.

The country’s changing demographics may also play a role. While the rate of gun ownership among women has remained relatively constant over the years at about 10 percent, which is less than one-third of the rate among men today, more women are heading households without men, another possible contributor to the decline in household gun ownership. Women living in households where there were guns that were not their own declined to a fifth in 2012 down from a third in 1980.

The increase of Hispanics as a share of the American population is also probably having an effect, as they are far less likely to own guns. In the survey results since 2000, about 14 percent of Hispanics reported having a gun in their house.
Do you think a mere change in wording of the question asked could cause such a huge disparity in the two polls? If not, what other possible reasons could explain the huge disparity?

Do you think this might indicate that there is far greater hope for Congress passing Obama's recommendations?
 
“happen to have in your home (or garage) any guns or revolvers.”

What is the purpose of differentiating between guns and revolvers in the question?
 
That's poor wording...

"hmm, they want to know if I have a gun or a revolver. Well I have a semi-automatic pistol, which clearly isn't a revolver. Since they don't consider revolvers to be guns, they must be meaning artillery pieces and not individual firearms when they say 'gun'. I'd better be safe here to protect the integrity of their poll and answer 'no' to this question."

EDIT: Damn you, zelig, you stole my line!
 
The right to bear siege mortars and heavy artillery pieces shall not be infringed.
 
Formaldehyde, I'm confused. The thread is titled, "Household Ownership Of Guns In US Only 34%?" but the opening sentence states: "47% of the households in the US have a gun, despite individual ownership being at 34%," and the Gallup graph also indicates that 47% of households own guns.
 
I'd better be safe here to protect the integrity of their poll and answer 'no' to this question."
Are you really trying to claim this is the reason why it differs from the Gallup poll? That many Americans don't understand what "or" means even if the wording is a bit confusing? That they would vote "no" to "to protect the integrity of their poll"?

Formaldehyde, I'm confused. The thread is titled, "Household Ownership Of Guns In US Only 34%?" but the opening sentence states: "47% of the households in the US have a gun, despite individual ownership being at 34%," and the Gallup graph also indicates that 47% of households own guns.
The poll in the article I posted after that directly contradicts those numbers. I was setting the stage for the OP by showing what the poll results which are typically quoted in this forum state.
 
Gallup, a nationally recognized polling organization since 1936.

versus:

General Social Survey, which nobody has ever heard of. Est: 1994.

You be the judge!
 
The poll in the article I posted after that directly contradicts those numbers. I was setting the stage for the OP by showing what the poll results which are typically quoted in this forum state.

Oh, I understand. The confusion was about the rhetorical question. Just disregard.
 
Gallup, a nationally recognized polling organization since 1936.

versus:

General Social Survey, which nobody has ever heard of. Est: 1994.

You be the judge!
Only they have been doing the same poll since 1972 and are a well known and recognized group.

But let's let the authoritarian far-right, instead of sociologists, "be the judge" regarding which must be more accurate given that they are clearly totally impartial and have no vested interest whatsoever in this matter.

The General Social Survey (GSS) is a sociological survey used to collect data on demographic characteristics and attitudes of residents of the United States. The survey is conducted face-to-face with an in-person interview by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, of a randomly selected sample of adults (18+) who are not institutionalized. The survey was conducted every year from 1972 to 1994 (except in 1979, 1981, and 1992). Since 1994, it has been conducted every other year. The survey takes about 90 minutes to administer. As of 2010 28 national samples with 55,087 respondents and 5,417 variables had been collected. The data collected about this survey includes both demographic information and respondent's opinions on matters ranging from government spending to the state of race relations to the existence and nature of God. Because of the wide range of topics covered, and the comprehensive gathering of demographic information, survey results allow social scientists to correlate demographic factors like age, race, gender, and urban/rural upbringing with beliefs, and thereby determine whether, for example, an average middle-aged black male respondent would be more or less likely to move to a different U.S. state for economic reasons than a similarly situated white female respondent; or whether a highly educated person with a rural upbringing is more likely to believe in a transcendent God than a person with an urban upbringing and only a high-school education.

GSS results are freely made available to interested parties over the internet, and are widely used in sociological research. The data are generally available in formats designed for statistical programs (e.g., R/SAS/SPSS/Stata).

Of course, there is a quite simple way to totally accurately determine this. Require that all guns be registered, and allow the ATF to actually computerize the resulting database instead of deliberately forbidding them to do so. But that would be somehow infringing on the rights of the paranoid.
 
Gallop is the far right?

It's quite ironic that the person hysterically screaming for a giant database out of abject terror of fellow citizens is calling others paranoid. Predictable as well in this case.


Well if they're not counting revolvers as guns then no wonder they're coming up with a low numbers.:lol:

No, you would answer yes if you owned a Gun or a revolver. However, since there is no ambiguity regarding whether a revolver is a gun, what was the purpose of specifically differentiating between the two?

If anything it would make people perhaps not claim rifles of shotguns as the question is so peculiar with had held revolvers. Maybe not. Either way the question was written by idiots which is probably why Forma likes them so much.
 
Gallup is right-wing and slanted toward the gun lobby!

Just take a look at these Gallup results which are DRASTICALLY skewed toward the gun lobby:

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Oh wait a second...

:lol:
 
Gallup, a nationally recognized polling organization since 1936.

versus:

General Social Survey, which nobody has ever heard of. Est: 1994.

You be the judge!

Gallup, the polling company that totally blew the last national election call when at least two other people got it more or less exactly right.

Or,

Something I have never actually heard of.

At this point, I'll take the latter. :p
 
No, you would answer yes if you owned a Gun or a revolver. However, since there is no ambiguity regarding whether a revolver is a gun, what was the purpose of specifically differentiating between the two?

It really is an odd question. Yeah, looking at it again, it seems the wording would lead the person to believe that the question only pertains to handguns.

There actually is a rift on whether or not a revolver is a handgun...

It's not hard to imagine that this could have an effect on results if the question is about firearms in general.

What's wrong with “have in your home (or garage) any firearms?.” :confused:
 
If gun sales go up and gun ownership goes down, one explanation might be that guns leave the country and are transported to countries with high request for guns. How difficult is it to leave the US with a gun?
 
If gun sales go up and gun ownership goes down, one explanation might be that guns leave the country and are transported to countries with high request for guns. How difficult is it to leave the US with a gun?

A more likely explanation is that more guns are being bought by people who already own 10-20.
 
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