how about Chen Ho

[Headline]

I just read a news article.

A British Scienctist found evidence that Chen Ho actually discovered America and went around it to China.

The scientist found a projectional map of African coast which dated 1459 before Vasco? da Gama's trip to the tip of Good Hope.

There is also record beside the map written in middle age Phoenician rooted text. The record shows the diary around 1420 of a trip around the cape of Good Hope and a drawing of huge Chinese like ship.

The scientist believes that Chen Ho may have been to South Pole.

There are also several Chinese ships discovered in Caribbean sea. The scientist wish to further investigate the wrack. He won't release the location of the wrecks fearing people who hunt for treasure would distrupt the remains.

?????
maybe Civ3 need a new undate,,,,haha,,,,changing Megellan's Voyage to Chen Ho's Voyage.

 

[Richard III]

Well, he says he's found evidence. But so far, it sounds much more like he's doing the same kind of "maybe history" that Canada's Farley Mowat came up with when he invented some civ that supposed existed in pre-contact Newfoundland and Greenland.

Silliness, really. I think Chen Ho deserves more attention from the west, but hopefully this is serious attention and not the meanderings of a retired mind.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

First off, it's Cheng Ho or Zheng He in hanyu pinyin.

Originally posted by Headline
A British Scienctist found evidence that Chen Ho actually discovered America and went around it to China.

The scientist found a projectional map of African coast which dated 1459 before Vasco? da Gama's trip to the tip of Good Hope.

All Chinese maps of the Ming naval expeditions had been burned during the power struggle betw the Confucian mandarinate and the eunuchs (Zheng He was an eunuch). And Chinese maps aren't projectional, just a mass of figures and characters indicating routes, countries, landmarks, journey duration etc.

There is also record beside the map written in middle age Phoenician rooted text. The record shows the diary around 1420 of a trip around the cape of Good Hope and a drawing of huge Chinese like ship.

I don't think many people in medieval Europe are aware of the Phoenicians, much less know the language. What's such a script doing in a Chinese map anyway?

The scientist believes that Chen Ho may have been to South Pole.

You're stretching my increduilty. While it may have been nice, it's highly unrealistic.

There are also several Chinese ships discovered in Caribbean sea. The scientist wish to further investigate the wrack. He won't release the location of the wrecks fearing people who hunt for treasure would distrupt the remains.

Maybe the wrecks don't exist.....

Seriously it'd be cool but you'll have to pile me with hard evidence before I can believe something like that. :crazyeyes

 

[Headline]

yeah,,,,i doubt the validity of his claim.........

 

[Richard III]

Knight Dragon, please explain hanyu pinyan? It may have been the name I was looking for to describe why I wrote "Mao Zedong" in my "if a civ leader was on the ballot" poll, in the "Civ3 - Civs" forum.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Hanyu pinyin is the modern method of translitering Chinese characters into the Latin alphabet, as opposed to the older Wildes-Gades method. E.g. Beijing vs Peking, Guangzhou vs Canton, Taipei vs Taipeh.

 

[Kublai-Khan]

Wich one sounds more similar to the chinese pronunciation?

 

[Chairman Qu]

The Wildes-Gades method is more phonetically accurate when pronounced in a Western style. However, in China Roman letters are pronounced differently than they are in, say, English, so the pinyin method works better if you use Chinese pronounciation. Generally, when read as it is, the Wildes-Gades method sounds more accurate.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by Kublai-Khan
Wich one sounds more similar to the chinese pronunciation?

For me, would be hanyu pinyin. But then, the way I read it is to associate the hanyu pinyin 'words' with the Chinese characters and pronounce their original pronouciation as I know it.

Anyway, there're only a few ways to pronounce (at least less than most polysyllabic languages). A lot of Chinese characters are pronounced the same but have different meanings, characters etc.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by Chairman Qu
The Wildes-Gades method is more phonetically accurate when pronounced in a Western style. However, in China Roman letters are pronounced differently than they are in, say, English, so the pinyin method works better if you use Chinese pronounciation. Generally, when read as it is, the Wildes-Gades method sounds more accurate.

But Peking, Nanking, Canton are all from the Cantonese dialect. If you're thinking of Mandarin Chinese, then the Wildes-Gades pronounciation for these are way off.

 

[kobayashi]

Around which year did the Ming scrap their mightly fleet?

 

[willemvanoranje]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14620&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

In the 7th post I already say something about leads showing Phoenician pressence and Chinese visitors....
There are leads (concerning discovery of America) that a Portuguese discoverer (João Vas Corte-Real ) disovered Florida in 1472, that some guy named Madoc already was in the Gulf of Mexico before that, that the first Viking landed on the new continent in 901 A.D., that the Irish Priest Brendaen (537 A.D., Anticosti) was erlier, that the Chinese sailor Hui-Shen () already visited the Aztecs in the 5th century (around 460 A.D.), and last the Phoenician map mentio0ned before, who might've visited Cape Cod, 400 B.C.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

We had a really nice discussion of this at Apolyton, and I posted some god links to this story there, take a look:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44406

 

[muppet]

It was a very very interesting discussion... until Fayadi popped in and made it an anit-AoA matter.

Anyone know what's happened since this guy's presentation to world scientists? Do they believe him or think that he should go back to school?