How Are Christians Discriminated Against?

The thing we're afraid of is these "Isolated incidents" might get worse as liberal ideas become more and more "Assumed." For instance, some people have suggested that by the time we (Teens of CFC) have kids, homosexuality might be so accepted that even criticizing it on moral grounds may be seen as offensive, everywhere. I definitely am afraid of where that could go.

Why should that bother you? Times change, so do faiths.

In all seriousness, there are plenty of things in the Bible you would rightfully be ridiculed for saying nowadays. As I recall, the Bible (granted, it's the OT) tells you to stone all sorts of people, including blasphemers, adulterers, and women who aren't virgins on their wedding nights. Modern people accept that these are simply nonsensical things to do. Why would proscriptions against homosexuality be different? Especially since, last I checked, the Bible was never really overly clear on the topic.

Which is not to say that you should be prevented from saying 'I think we should stone adulterers.' IMO, it's a stupid thing to say, but there's no harm in saying it. Off course, if you should form a mob and start shouting 'stone all the adulterers!' from a bullhorn, that's a different story.
 
If you are expecting them not to use their right to free speech....

The thing we're afraid of is these "Isolated incidents" might get worse as liberal ideas become more and more "Assumed." For instance, some people have suggested that by the time we (Teens of CFC) have kids, homosexuality racial equality might be so accepted that even criticizing it on moral grounds may be seen as offensive, everywhere. I definitely am afraid of where that could go.

Fixed that for ya ;)

I chose that example specifically because of the unmistakable parallels. People who hold your views are increasingly rare, relegated now to the dying fringes of modern society: the elderly and the fundamentalist religious.

Regarding freedom of speech, ibfind it precious that one the one hand you'll claim the right to express your opinion about how someone lives their life while getting all persecution-complexy when the criticism goes in the other direction. I'm not claiming that you, GhostWriter16, do this, just that many public Christians appear to.
 
There is no real discrimination against Christians in the US. A handful of individuals, maybe. But no laws at any level. No systematic actions by any organization.
 
American christianity is a lollipop grown ups suck on to feel a part of this world. It's a terrible reality.
 
Domination seems to be in favor of thinking that it's discrimination to frown upon discrimination. :crazyeye:
And that the day may eventually come where Christians are no longer legally allowed to discriminate against others anymore. Just take the recent provision added to the latest defense spending bill that would allow chaplains to continue to discriminate against homosexuals in the military, for instance. Imagine if such amendments to bills eventually became unconstitutional.
 
Heh.. The questioning of beliefs is not discrimination. I mean, come on.. seriously?

You can't expect to not have your beliefs questioned. Suck it up. This ain't a game! This is real life

We never asked for any debate, and we certainly never wanted agressive forcing of beliefs down our throat.

Again, this goes for everyone. For me, questioning of belief has helped me to be the skeptic I am and in turn look further into my beliefs to verify them, but if we wish to convert, we should do it in a more civilized manner, and put religion only where religion belongs.

It's legal. That doesn't mean you should do it.

American christianity is a lollipop grown ups suck on to feel a part of this world. It's a terrible reality.

Care to explain? Are you saying all American Christians are the same?
 
Wish it was not so, but the nazi like conformity is hard to avoid.
 
We never asked for any debate, and we certainly never wanted agressive forcing of beliefs down our throat.

You have beliefs, they will be questioned. That's not discrimination, that's just human nature.

"Why do you believe A warpus?"
"Because B"

Not

"Stop discriminating against me!"

I'm not sure where you got "aggressive forcing of beliefs down our throat" from. Questioning of beliefs does not involve that. You're just all over the place, really.
 
Up until the mid-20th century, Catholics were not very accepted in the U.S. (mainly in connection to the influx of Irish immigrants, although it goes all the way back to colonial times).

You know now that you mention it, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't been more of a backlash recently as a result of illegal immigration.
 
I don't think that Protestants discriminating against Catholics was exactly the sort of discrimination which was intended by the OP, not to mention there has been little sign of it for the past 15 years.
 
Exactly the reason why I do not like Tim Tebow.

I wouldn't try to judge an individual's heart:)


You make it seem like it could possibly be considered discrimination. How so?

In areas with very high Christian populations where the vast majority want public prayer, I think its a little bit discriminatory that people far away are going to tell them they can't.

Why not? If my school teachers had us collectively pray at the beginning of class I would be incredibly uncomfortable. It's possible it should be said that leaving it to the states is unconstitutional, but I'm be surprised if you didn't know that.

Its not unconstitutional, in fact, the Constitution would support this being a state issue. The Supreme Court banned it, but what SCOTUS says doesn't change what the constitution actually says.


Really? People always surprise me. I think I speak for everyone when I say homophobes deserve to be teased and made fun of.

I think people should stop using "Homophobe" as a buzz word when using an "Aggressive" style of debate.

Why should that bother you? Times change, so do faiths.

In all seriousness, there are plenty of things in the Bible you would rightfully be ridiculed for saying nowadays. As I recall, the Bible (granted, it's the OT) tells you to stone all sorts of people, including blasphemers, adulterers, and women who aren't virgins on their wedding nights. Modern people accept that these are simply nonsensical things to do. Why would proscriptions against homosexuality be different? Especially since, last I checked, the Bible was never really overly clear on the topic.

Which is not to say that you should be prevented from saying 'I think we should stone adulterers.' IMO, it's a stupid thing to say, but there's no harm in saying it. Off course, if you should form a mob and start shouting 'stone all the adulterers!' from a bullhorn, that's a different story.

Well, the first part is all laws that discuss Israel in the OT specifically, whereas the prohibition against homosexuality is universal both in the Old Testament and the New.

As for adulterers, I'd agree with you that we shouldn't stone them, but I think the idea that its a "Victimless action" is laughable.

Fixed that for ya ;)

I chose that example specifically because of the unmistakable parallels. People who hold your views are increasingly rare, relegated now to the dying fringes of modern society: the elderly and the fundamentalist religious.

Regarding freedom of speech, ibfind it precious that one the one hand you'll claim the right to express your opinion about how someone lives their life while getting all persecution-complexy when the criticism goes in the other direction. I'm not claiming that you, GhostWriter16, do this, just that many public Christians appear to.

There's no parallel's whatsoever with racism and homosexuality, particularly since choosing to sleep with other men is a choice and the color of your skin is not.

As your link states (and I haven't done any other investigation, I am assuming this link is factually correct), the arrests were due to confrontations with the police and not their Christianity, and the charges were dismissed in court. So we didn't tolerate it then.

The charges were dismissed, and they were arrested because they preached at a gay pride event when they "Weren't supposed to." Nevermind that any law against doing that is discriminatory in the first place.

Sure, there might be the occasional liberal who is intolerant towards evangelists and the like. But it is hardly a large group, much less anything approaching a majority of such a tiny minority. So how exactly are they going to convince everybody else to institute any sort of widespread discriminatory practices against the group which is the overwhelming majority in the US today?

There are a lot of them. In fact, the number of "Liberals" who are actually willing to tolerate Evangelical Christianity are a real minority. Of course, they don't want to stone them to death, but we don't want to stone anyone to death either:p
 
One example of legal discrimination against Christian is the barring of wearing the cross at the office in the UK. That seems to me to be a pretty clear case of legal discrimination against Christians, especially when other religions are permitted to display their badges of faith.

Similarly, the ban in France on the open display of any religious icon in schools is discriminatory against Christians and others.
 
You have beliefs, they will be questioned. That's not discrimination, that's just human nature.

"Why do you believe A warpus?"
"Because B"

Not

"Stop discriminating against me!"

I'm not sure where you got "aggressive forcing of beliefs down our throat" from. Questioning of beliefs does not involve that. You're just all over the place, really.

Agressive means repeatedly attacking someone who has asked not to be attacked. Even if it is human nature, that doesn't mean you should do it either.
 
There's no parallel's whatsoever with racism and homosexuality, particularly since choosing to sleep with other men is a choice and the color of your skin is not.
There are many parallels in the discrimination both groups have faced. They have much in common in that regard.

There are a lot of them. In fact, the number of "Liberals" who are actually willing to tolerate Evangelical Christianity are a real minority. Of course, they don't want to stone them to death, but we don't want to stone anyone to death either:p
I don't think you understand what "discrimination" means. It has nothing to do with agreeing with your own personal opinions and morals. But from my own experience, I really don't think very many people at all actually care if you personally think that homosexuality is a sin or not. They care if you or others try to force them to live their lives as you see fit, instead of how they decide to lead it themselves. That is what discrimination actually means in this context.

One example of legal discrimination against Christian is the barring of wearing the cross at the office in the UK. That seems to me to be a pretty clear case of legal discrimination against Christians, especially when other religions are permitted to display their badges of faith.

Similarly, the ban in France on the open display of any religious icon in schools is discriminatory against Christians and others.
How can you possibly visibly wear a cross while wearing this uniform?

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The rules regarding the display of the cross are not exclusive to BA. The article I provided cites examples of people with less formal dress codes being disciplined for wearing the cross as well.
 
There's no parallel's whatsoever with racism and homosexuality, particularly since choosing to sleep with other men is a choice and the color of your skin is not.

Homosexuality is not a choice. It has been shown in numerous studies so I don't know why you keep insisting homosexuality is a choice.
 
The rules regarding the display of the cross are not exclusive to BA. The article I provided cites examples of people with less formal dress codes being disciplined for wearing the cross as well.
From the article you posted, one person was apparently a flight attendant who was required to wear that specific uniform. It looks to me like she was trying to make some sort of statement by deliberately wearing it over her uniform. They quite likely have rules prohibiting that behavior, no matter the jewelry in question.

I would also suspect the same pertains to the nurse.
 
If homosexuality isn't a choice then is religion a choice? One's religion is determined less by individual choice and more by relevant socializing agents present in one's life during one's formative years. An Irishman is likely to be Christian by dint of the prevalence of that faith in Ireland, similar an Arab is likely be Muslim for the same reason. There's no choice there; one does not choice which nation or culture into which to be born.

A person's faith is a fundamental part of that person's identity, just like sexuality.
 
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