How big is immigration an issue on people's minds (USA and elsewhere)?

If you cannot post reasonably current links (that are not just opinions) to support what you say, stop spamming your opinions.

The are two difficulties in providing you with what you demand.

One is that the highly transactional nature of your society prevents many papers from being accessible, unless you are willing to pay or have access to liraries that do pay. You can be a "pirate", but then you will be having to look outside the wwalled gardens for the data.
Here is one walled paper.

This paper is a theoretical examination of the probable effects on the U.S. labor market of a continued high rate of illegal immigration. The author constructs a model to estimate the impact each additional immigrant has on the employment of the domestic population, on GNP, and on the distribution of income. The model suggests that in non-recessionary periods the most important effect of a high rate of immigration is on the wage rates of low-skilled labor rather than on the employment of low-skilled native workers, but immigration also increases the earnings of high-skilled workers and the owners of capital. In the very long run, the author concludes, this redistribution of income will be offset to some extent by increases in the supplies of skilled labor and capital.

It is from 1980, which makes it less biased than recent ones. ,And that is the other problem. Those writing papers want financing. Governments and their international organizatiuons distribute financing, or sometimes corporations. Both have been very interesting in the "freedom of movement" of workers, so as to have more exploitable labour available. The vast majority of papers published are going to say what their authors are paid to say. Science is not "neutral", it is a prodict of circunstances including who pays for it.

But have an open paper also. This one doens't even question if immigration increaces inequality, that is a given but on how to quantify the effect.

This other one, more recent, of the "promote immigration at all costs" era, does dome amazing contortions to attempt negate what it actuallyy concludes: immigratuon reduces social trust, causing a series of problems:

Focusing specifically on immigration, our analysis supports the view that immigration decreases trust, civic engagement and political participation in some advanced democracies. However, our analysis also raises important qualifications. In societies of relative income equality, residents are far less likely to withdraw from collective life in the face of immigration. Multiculturalism policies might reduce general social trust in the face of immigration, but they also appear to increase engagement. In countries that have both low income inequality and relatively strong multiculturalism policies, all negative effects of immigration on collective-mindedness disappear; we actually see higher levels of organizational and political participation with immigration. While increases in participation do not necessarily mean that everyone is “getting along” —native-born residents might organize to oppose immigration—trust and engagement both increase with immigration in more economically equal societies.

Immigration "increases trust" because it forces the locals to have to organixe to oppose immigration? :wallbash: They really eraned their funding!
 
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Yes paywalls can be troublesome. Even CNN is moving towards a paywall now that it has subscriber only articles. I will take a look at what you posted.
 
More people = bigger economy, it isn't complicated. It does become more complicated when various factors including racism, policy failures, and political dysfunction work together to prevent people from contributing as much to the economy as they would in the absence of those barriers, but more people = bigger economy holds even for undocumented people in the US.
 
It is not as simple as that.

I cannot speak for the USA.

But if the growth in population exceeds the growth in the economy, then living standards drop.

And that is what has happened in the UK.

And that is a reason why immigration is an issue in the UK.
 
It is not as simple as that.

I cannot speak for the USA.

But if the growth in population exceeds the growth in the economy, then living standards drop.

And that is what has happened in the UK.

And that is a reason why immigration is an issue in the UK.
Nah. Nobody's saying having children is the problem, so this is silly logic.
 
It is not as simple as that.

I cannot speak for the USA.

But if the growth in population exceeds the growth in the economy, then living standards drop.

And that is what has happened in the UK.

And that is a reason why immigration is an issue in the UK.

Something similar here. Economy overall grew but per person shrunk.

Lots of people leaving atm not sure if it's an overall negative though.
 
26 pages in and the only guy I can agree with is the guy who hates deluded trannies with a bear avatar. What a crazy world. If only a logical understanding of the world lent itself directly to my personal preferences but I have to admit I’m probably delusional also and the world isn’t especially sane. Ah, well. May the bulk of you choke on your liberalism as you stomp on the necks of the third world to get your fudging coffee and hot chocolate. Truly, I am not the greatest casualty in this world where we have to pretend Americans who wont even fudging go outside or get a job are the ones being screwed over by the illegals. It’s a failed society and I hope everyone here has a good inheritance because otherwise the optimism is just plain depressing.
 
Yes, but New Zealand is a net food exporter while the UK is a net food importer.

High net immigration to the UK inevitably increases the food deficit.

Historically (last 1/3 of 19th and first 2/3 of 20th century) the UK managed a
food deficit by being a net exporter of goods, but now it is a net importer.
This was supposedly largely paid for by a services sector, but also by selling
assets and the sale of assets which makes the current account deficit worse
for example as payments for water and sewage services go overseas.

My point here is that the reasons and balance of reasons for concern about
the impact of immigration are often different for different countries.
 
Just going to ignore that fact that we're still having hundreds of thousands of kids a year, which means each year whatever age you accept that someone starts occupying space in society has a new generation of kids aging into said population. That's a rolling figure, just like immigration.
 
Just going to ignore that fact that we're still having hundreds of thousands of kids a year, which means each year whatever age you accept that someone starts occupying space in society has a new generation of kids aging into said population. That's a rolling figure, just like immigration.
Yes, these kids are of varied socioeconomic class, and integrate into the economy in roughly the same proportion of classes as the previous generation, but a bit lower due to lack of work experience. Overwhelmingly, illegal immigrants are unskilled laborers. This unbalances the economy and causes increases competition for the same goods and services, causing rent and tuition to increase, and wages to stagnate.
 
Just going to ignore that fact that we're still having hundreds of thousands of kids a year, which means each year whatever age you accept that someone starts occupying space in society has a new generation of kids aging into said population. That's a rolling figure, just like immigration.

Birth rates are very low now in pretty much all our countries.

Obviously we need some immigration.
 
Yes, these kids are of varied socioeconomic class, and integrate into the economy in roughly the same proportion of classes as the previous generation, but a bit lower due to lack of work experience. Overwhelmingly, illegal immigrants are unskilled laborers. This unbalances the economy and causes increases competition for the same goods and services, causing rent and tuition to increase, and wages to stagnate.
I wasn't talking about illegal immigrants, or your perceptions thereof. Edward was talking about net immigration, which is what I was replying to.

Birth rates are very low now in pretty much all our countries.

Obviously we need some immigration.
You should Google "births in the UK" and contrast it to immigration numbers.
 
I wasn't talking about illegal immigrants, or your perceptions thereof. Edward was talking about net immigration, which is what I was replying to.


You should Google "births in the UK" and contrast it to immigration numbers.

I've done births. UK has a below replacement rate.
 
I've done births. UK has a below replacement rate.
Okay, and? I'm sorry, I was genuinely trying to relate what I was talking about, to your response. If you're not talking about what I was discussing, but instead saying something off-the-cuff, that's a completely different thing.

Glazier's fallacy.
I'm sure you could expand on why you think Lexi's post corresponds to the parable of the broken window.
 
Yeekim thinks human beings existing is the equivalent of someone destroying windows
 
Okay, and? I'm sorry, I was genuinely trying to relate what I was talking about, to your response. If you're not talking about what I was discussing, but instead saying something off-the-cuff, that's a completely different thing.


I'm sure you could expand on why you think Lexi's post corresponds to the parable of the broken window.

You're the one who brought it up.
 
I feel like there's broad, universal agreement that legal immigration is a good thing. The question is how bad of a problem illegal immigration is, and the conservative/Trump position is that it is a problem worth resolving and preventing. I'm unclear of what the liberal position is, is it open borders?
 
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