How big is immigration an issue on people's minds (USA and elsewhere)?

This is kind of the "light" side of it, but it shows it can happen to anyone.

I’m So Proud To Be Deported From The USA

Some of you might have come across posts on the UK Subs’ website featuring photos and videos of an unfamiliar line-up performing with Charlie at a Los Angeles punk festival over the weekend. Understandably, you may be wondering, ‘How did that happen?’ Well, here’s the truth: Stefan, Marc, and I were all denied entry into the United States, while Charlie, somehow—perhaps through a Jedi mind trick or, more plausibly, encountering an immigration officer desperate to finish their shift—managed to get through.

After an 11-hour flight, my partner Roz and I arrived at the immigration booth. Roz was waved through without issue, but I was told that something had flagged up, necessitating further questioning. There were two reasons given: first, they claimed I did not have the correct visa for entry; second, there was another unspecified issue that they refused to disclose. I can’t help but wonder whether my frequent, and less than flattering, public comments regarding their president and his administration played a role—or perhaps I’m simply succumbing to paranoia.

What followed was far from pleasant. Two police officers escorted me to another section of LAX, where I found Stefan and Marc already detained in a cold holding pen, along with a group of Colombian, Chinese, and Mexican detainees. My luggage, phone, and passport were confiscated. Hours later, at 4am (having landed at 7pm), I was called for a second interview. The officer conducting it was surprisingly sympathetic—Officer Jones, who, to her credit, even ventured out into the airport to find Roz, updating her on my situation and the enforced return flight I was to take. I’m truly indebted to her for that small act of decency.

Ultimately, while I never expected to be thrown out of America at the age of 67, I find myself somewhat proud of the fact. It seems my relationship with the country is over for the foreseeable future. And perhaps that’s why a certain chorus from track three, side one, of the first Clash album keeps playing in my head.

Spoiler track three, side one, of the first Clash album :
 

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Next German government agrees to radical toughening of migration policy​

BERLIN ― The two parties expected to form Germany’s next government have agreed to a much stricter approach to migration in the wake of the far right’s best showing at a national election since World War II, according to a draft of the negotiating text seen by POLITICO.

The center-right Christian Democrats (CDU/CSU) of incoming Chancellor Friedrich Merz and the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) approved a raft of policies that would form the cornerstone of the likely government’s policies over the next four years.

They include a huge increase in the capacity for detaining migrants pending deportation, the suspension of family reunification for migrants for two years, the expansion of the list of safe countries that migrants can be sent back to to include Algeria, India, Morocco, and Tunisia, the introduction of rules to deport migrants who face prison sentences and the abolishment of mandatory legal assistance before repatriation.
The agreement would represent Germany’s strictest migration policies in decades. The far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) came second in the election on Feb. 23 and is likely to become a rowdy opposition voice in the forthcoming parliament.

Some aspects of migration policy are not agreed, however. So far, the SPD is rejecting CDU demands to set up asylum processing and return centers in other countries.

Away from migration, the two parties haven’t yet agreed on defense spending. The CDU is pushing to radically increase German investment to 3.5 percent target — far above NATO’s 2 percent target — which would move Germany up the ranks of global military powers, with major implications for European defense. While the SPD says it recognizes the need to strengthen the country’s armed forces, it doesn’t want to go that far.

As U.S. President Donald Trump threatens to weaken America’s protection of Europe, Merz’s party is also pressing for the reintroduction of compulsory of military service. At this stage, the Social Democrats want to keep it voluntary. Germany got rid of compulsory military service for men in 2011.

The drafts come from cross-party working groups tackling policy areas. The groups were asked to submit their drafts on Monday, after which the respective leadership teams would enter final negotiations to stitch together a unified coalition agreement. Both sides previously publicly said they aim to conclude talks by Easter, but have since become less ambitious, saying content is more important than speed.
 
I said party, not Danes, and if you know better why not just prove it?
The discussion started with Denmark, where "anti-immigration" Fredriksen has been prime minister since 2019 (and party leader since 2015).

When I googled "infrastructure investments in Denmark", the first thing that came up was this:

Eight Major Underground Projects are Part of Denmark's Infrastructure Plan 2035. With a planned investment volume of more than 22 billion euros the Danish Infrastructure Plan 2035 is the largest in the history of the Scandinavian country, which will host the World Tunnel Congress in Copenhagen in 2022.
 
"We've reached a point where we're losing popular vote to literal fascists" is not the kind of flex you seem to think it is.

I'm at a loss to understand the point behind this.

Generally, it is dismaying that the anti-immigrant people here who think of themselves as liberal are getting a real-time demonstration of a right-wing administration using mainly immigration hysteria to demolish one of the oldest constitutions in the world, and their response is the Skinner meme ("no, it's the children who are wrong"). No reflection on how their position that immigration is a real crisis being ignored by the self-interested political class is actually hugely helpful to the people who want to tear down liberalism.
 
I'm at a loss to understand the point behind this.

Generally, it is dismaying that the anti-immigrant people here who think of themselves as liberal are getting a real-time demonstration of a right-wing administration using mainly immigration hysteria to demolish one of the oldest constitutions in the world, and their response is the Skinner meme ("no, it's the children who are wrong"). No reflection on how their position that immigration is a real crisis being ignored by the self-interested political class is actually hugely helpful to the people who want to tear down liberalism.
This deserves a longer answer... I'll try to find time.

Meanwhile are you quite sure the Skinner meme in question does not in fact describe people who claim immigration is not a real issue, despite the voters clearly believing it is?
 
I'm at a loss to understand the point behind this.
Considering it's been explained to you several times and in several ways, the only (and obvious) possibility for you to not get it, is because you actively don't want to get it.
Not that you're the only one in this situation, if that is any sort of consolation.
 
Meanwhile are you quite sure the Skinner meme in question does not in fact describe people who claim immigration is not a real issue, despite the voters clearly believing it is?

Well, it depends. A crisis in the sense that a country might not have the infrastructure to accept a certain number of people, sure. The solution to that problem is to expand that infrastructure. But the arguments that I see on this forum often echo Trump's claim that immigrants are "poisoning the blood" of destination countries, that immigrants from the middle east and Africa are a civilization-level existential threat, capable merely by their presence of dastardly deeds like "destroying French identity". I don't really care how many voters fall for this, it is delusional racism through and through.

In the US essentially 100% of the problems caused by illegal immigration could be solved by legalizing it. But how to legalize it is not the discussion we are having. Moreover, it is the US' own policies that have led to state failure in this hemisphere, leading to the "crisis" in the form of a pronounced uptick in refugees from the southern cone countries. Again, how to fix the source countries so that there aren't massive refugee flows in the first place is simply not part of the discussion.

You may claim to loathe Trump all you want, but your own unexamined antipathy towards immigrants brings you closer to Trump, mind and soul. You all talk about the need to preserve Western civilization, but what do the traditions of Western civilization say on this topic?
A couple of examples:

5. When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God (Leviticus 19: 33-34)."

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
 
Well it's not just about Trump..US and elsewhere.
When an immigrant from Afghanistan drives his car into a large group of people in my home town - injuring ~35 and killing a 2 year old & her mother -
posting the evening before "Allah protect us all" i don't think about Trump. Or politics.

I think about if those religious beliefs are suited for my country, as apparently that was his mental excuse or whatever.
I wonder if not more could have been done, after all police knew him and he followed Islam preachers on social media etc.

That doesn't mean i have to (or do) make up my mind on the topics big picture.
There isn't just black or white..these things are simply concerning.
I could have been there, i drove past the crime scene several times with my bike before.
At that point you realize it's real life, not just some internet discussion.
 
I think about if those religious beliefs are suited for my country,

Anders Breivik killed over thirty times as many people as your Afghan, yet no one asks whether his rabid anti-immigrant belief are "suited for" any country. That observation alone is enough to disprove your claim that you're not thinking about politics in this context.

At that point you realize it's real life, not just some internet discussion.

Real life. Here is some real life for you. Innocent human beings being treated worse than livestock.

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No reflection on how their position that immigration is a real crisis being ignored by the self-interested political class is actually hugely helpful to the people who want to tear down liberalism.
I have a feeling it's done for regardless, myself. The question, I suppose, is whether you can build a successful political movement while insisting on what would require firm commitment to cultural inclusivity. Can that work as a successor movement?

Conservatives are energized by immigration. What support exists amongst liberals is wishy washy, and forfeited by the usually privileged liberal in a similar way to how the US writes off failed military adventures.

Who is left? The open borders crowd, insignificant in number? Persuasion is necessary if that's gonna work, and it would seem that movements are arising that are successful merely by loud opposition to those efforts of persuasion. It would seem that not only will the preference for nativism remain, it may ascend to power, taking the "racism is bad, mmkay" norm down with it.
 
I have a feeling it's done for regardless, myself. The question, I suppose, is whether you can build a successful political movement while insisting on what would require firm commitment to cultural inclusivity. Can that work as a successor movement?
Umm, yes?

It's not that hard to point out to people they should be mad at the rich dude using the immigrant for cheap labor and not the immigrant themselves.

People literally post memes about it all the time:
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Umm, yes?

It's not that hard to point out to people they should be mad at the rich dude using the immigrant for cheap labor and not the immigrant themselves.

I rather think that most people who are sceptical of mass immigration have worked that out for themselves.

But it is convenient for the rich dudes to divide and rule by convincing people that such sceptics are racists.
 
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