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How civilizations are doing in real world now

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by PrideDefiler, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    I just wanted everyone to see how the *civs* are doing in our reality in year 2013. :D

    I'll post the most obvious civs first, as some of the civs in the game are very complicated to figure out their modern successor Eg. Zulu (Are they part of South Africa now or what?) :)

    Anyhow, it's going to take a while to complete... If I can even complete the list. :crazyeye:

    The order of civilizations will totally be random, I will just pick a civ and start gathering info - if it gets too complicated, I will put it aside for later.

    Most of information will be from online and please let me know if you can find an error. :)

    For Democracy index, I will be using democracy index of 2012 - it's published in 2013 from The Economist Intelligence Unit.

    I'll try to use most up-to-date data whenever possible. ;)




    America in Civilization V

    United States of America (United States)

    Capital :c5capital:
    Washington D.C

    Population :c5citizen:
    316,418,000 (3rd)

    Land :c5moves:
    9,826,675 km2 (3rd)



    Economy

    GDP :c5gold:
    PPP: $15.685 trillion (1st)
    Nominal: $15.685 trillion (1st)


    GDP per capita
    PPP: $49,922 (12th)
    Nominal: $49,922 (6th)


    Agriculture :c5food:
    0.7% of GDP

    Manufacturing :c5production:
    20.3% GDP

    Trade :c5trade:
    Exports: $1.564 trillion (2nd)
    Imports: $2.299 trillion (1st)
    Balance: -$735 billion

    Public debt :c5citystate:
    $16.687 trillion
    105% of GDP

    Foreign reserves
    $151.866 billion

    Economic aid
    $19 billion donor (DAC member)


    Military

    Firepower :c5war:
    Global firepower index: 0.2475 (1st)

    Military expenditure :c5strength:
    PPP: $682 billion (1st)
    Nominal: $682 billion (1st)
    4.4% of GDP​



    Society

    Human Development Index :c5happy:
    0.937 (3rd) very high

    Income Inequality :c5angry:
    Gini Index: 47.7 very high

    Democracy Index :c5goldenage:
    8.11 (21st) Full democracy

    Research & Developments spending :c5science:
    $405.3 billion (PPP) (1st)
    2.7% of GDP (PPP)

    Religion :c5faith:
    Protestant: 51.3%
    Roman Catholicism: 23.9%
    No Religion: 16.1%
    Other Christianity: 3.3%
    Judaism: 1.7%
    Other Religions: 1.7%
    Buddhism: 0.7%
    Islam: 0.6%
    Hinduism: 0.4%
    Unitarian Universalism: 0.3%​



    * % of GDP numbers may vary as each figures are from different years between 2010-2012


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  2. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    Here comes the Aztecs - I decided that Mexico is their successor :)


    Aztecs in Civilization V



    United Mexican States [Estados Unidos Mexicanos] (Mexico)

    Capital :c5capital:
    Mexico City

    Population :c5citizen:
    117,409,830 (11th)

    Land :c5moves:
    1,972,550 km2 (14th)



    Economy

    GDP :c5gold:
    PPP: $1.759 trillion (11th)
    Nominal: $1.177 trillion (14th)


    GDP per capita
    PPP: $15,312 (64th)
    Nominal: $10,247 (66th)


    Agriculture :c5food:
    3.9% of GDP

    Manufacturing :c5production:
    32.6% GDP

    Trade :c5trade:
    Exports: $298.5 billion (15th)
    Imports: $301.5 billion (14th)
    Balance: -$3 billion

    Public debt :c5citystate:
    $341 billion
    36.9% of GDP

    Foreign reserves
    $128.299 billion

    Economic aid
    $189.4 million recipient



    Military

    Firepower :c5war:
    Global firepower index: 0.9144 (21st)

    Military expenditure :c5strength:
    Nominal: $6.978 billion (27th)
    0.4% of GDP​



    Society

    Human Development Index :c5happy:
    0.775 (61st) high

    Income Inequality :c5angry:
    Gini Index: 47.2 very high

    Democracy Index :c5goldenage:
    6.90 (51st) Flawed democracy

    Research & Developments spending :c5science:
    $6.4 billion (PPP) (24th)
    0.4% of GDP (PPP)

    Religion :c5faith:
    Roman Catholicism: 82.7%
    Other Christianity: 9.7%
    No religion: 4.7%
    Unspecified: 2.7%
    Other Religions: 0.2%​



    * % of GDP numbers may vary as each figures are from different years between 2010-2012


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  3. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    Egypt's successor was fairly easy to decide.


    Egypt in Civilization V



    Arab Republic of Egypt [جمهورية مصر العربية]

    Capital :c5capital:
    Cairo

    Population :c5citizen:
    84,550,000 (15th)

    Land :c5moves:
    1,002,450 km2 (30th)



    Economy

    GDP :c5gold:
    PPP: $559.843 billion (27th)
    Nominal: $264.701 billion (39th)


    GDP per capita
    PPP: $6,652
    Nominal: $3,146


    Agriculture :c5food:
    14.7% of GDP

    Manufacturing :c5production:
    37.4% GDP

    Trade :c5trade:
    Exports: $26.83 billion (67th)
    Imports: $58.76 billion (50th)
    Balance: -$30.39 billion

    Public debt :c5citystate:
    $224 billion
    85% of GDP

    Foreign reserves
    $13.1 billion

    Economic aid
    suspended? recipient



    Military

    Firepower :c5war:
    Global firepower index: 0.7569 (14th)

    Military expenditure :c5strength:
    Nominal: $4.42 billion (39th)
    1.7% of GDP​



    Society

    Human Development Index :c5happy:
    0.644 (113th) medium

    Income Inequality :c5angry:
    Gini Index: 30.8 medium low

    Democracy Index :c5goldenage:
    4.56 (109th) Hybrid regime

    Research & Developments spending :c5science:
    $910 million (PPP) (46th)
    0.23% of GDP (PPP)

    Religion :c5faith:
    Islam: 90.0%
    Coptic Christianity: 9.0%
    Other Christianity: 1.0%​



    * % of GDP numbers may vary as each figures are from different years between 2010-2012


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  4. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    As I got to Egypt, I thought of the famous divided nation on Earth... The North vs South, communism vs capitalism.

    So I decided to include both under Korea.

    The gap between South and North is enormous... This really shows how same people from same background can have really different future.

    What I found funny was that the authoritarian North Korea had the word *democratic* in their official name.



    Korea in Civilization V



    Republic of Korea [대한민국] (South Korea)

    Capital :c5capital:
    Seoul

    Population :c5citizen:
    50,004,441 (25th)

    Land :c5moves:
    100,210 km2 (109th)



    Economy

    Gross Domestic Product :c5gold:
    PPP: $1.687 trillion (12th)
    Nominal: $1.259 trillion (15th)


    GDP per capita
    PPP: $33,580 (26th)
    Nominal: $25,051 (34th)


    Agriculture :c5food:
    2.6% of GDP

    Manufacturing :c5production:
    39.2% GDP

    Trade :c5trade:
    Exports: $552.6 billion (6th)
    Imports: $514.2 billion (7th)
    Balance: $38.4 billion

    Public debt :c5citystate:
    $474 billion
    37.7% of GDP

    Foreign reserves
    $306.4 billion

    Economic aid
    $1.32 billion donor (DAC member)
    *Aid to North Korea excluded​


    Military

    Firepower :c5war:
    Global firepower index: 0.6547 (8th)

    Military expenditure :c5strength:
    PPP: $44.2 billion (9th)
    Nominal: $31.7 billion (12th)
    2.7% of GDP​



    Society

    Human Development Index :c5happy:
    0.909 (12th) very high

    Income Inequality :c5angry:
    Gini Index: 31.0 medium low

    Democracy Index :c5goldenage:
    8.13 (20th) Full democracy

    Research & Developments spending :c5science:
    $55.8 billion (PPP) (5th)
    3.74% of GDP (PPP)

    Religion :c5faith:
    No religion: 46.5%
    Buddhism: 22.8%
    Protestantism: 18.3%
    Roman Catholicism: 10.9%
    Other Religions: 1.7%​




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    Democratic People's Republic of Korea [조선민주주의인민공화국] (North Korea)

    Capital :c5capital:
    Pyongyang

    Population :c5citizen:
    24,554,000 (48th)

    Land :c5moves:
    120,540 km2 (98th)



    Economy

    Gross Domestic Product :c5gold:
    PPP: $40 billion (98th)
    Nominal: $12.4 billion (125th)


    GDP per capita
    PPP: $1,800
    Nominal: $506


    Agriculture :c5food:
    23.3% of GDP

    Manufacturing :c5production:
    43.1% GDP

    Trade :c5trade:
    Exports: $2.061 billion
    Imports: $3.574 billion
    Balance: -$1.513 billion
    *Under heavy trade sanctions and embargoes from UN, US, EU ect...

    Public debt :c5citystate:
    No info - estimated $20 billion Gross external debt

    Foreign reserves
    No info

    Economic aid
    No specific info recipient
    Mainly receives economic and humanitarian aids from South Korea and China
    Other humanitarian aids are from UN, USA and EU ​



    Military

    Firepower :c5war:
    Global firepower index: 1.1754 (29th)

    Military expenditure :c5strength:
    No info​



    Society

    Human Development Index :c5happy:
    0.733 (113th) high

    Income Inequality :c5angry:
    Gini Index: 31 medium low

    Democracy Index :c5goldenage:
    1.08 (167th) Authoritarian regime

    Research & Developments spending :c5science:
    No info

    Religion :c5faith:
    No Religion: 64.3%
    Korean shamanism: 16%
    Cheondoism: 13.5%
    Buddhism: 4.5%
    Christianity: 1.7%
    *Vast majority are forced to religiously follow Juche ideology and believe in divinity of Kim Il Sung.



    * % of GDP numbers may vary as each figures are from different years between 2010-2012


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  5. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    For Greece, I decided to just go with modern Greece...

    I know they had a great empire, and many modern nations were part of it. But I simply can't do them all :)

    Also those of nations later went on to start their own empires :D

    As I was compiling this, I was saddened to see Greece going under a tough economic hardship.


    Greece in Civilization V



    Hellenic Republic [Ελληνική Δημοκρατία] (Greece)

    Capital :c5capital:
    Athens

    Population :c5citizen:
    10,815,197 (77th)

    Land :c5moves:
    131,957 km2 (98th)



    Economy

    GDP :c5gold:
    PPP: $281 billion (44th)
    Nominal:$249.201 billion (42nd)


    GDP per capita
    PPP: $24,505 (37th)
    Nominal: $22,055 (34th)


    Agriculture :c5food:
    3% of GDP

    Manufacturing :c5production:
    16% GDP

    Trade :c5trade:
    Exports: $28.31 billion (65th)
    Imports: $65.5 billion
    Balance: -$37.19 billion

    Public debt :c5citystate:
    $400 billion
    160.5% of GDP

    Foreign reserves
    $6.324 billion

    Economic aid
    Bailout from EU and IMF recipient



    Military

    Firepower :c5war:
    Global firepower index: 1.6527 (49th)

    Military expenditure :c5strength:
    Nominal: $6.539 billion (31st)
    2.5% of GDP​



    Society

    Human Development Index :c5happy:
    0.860 (29th) very high

    Income Inequality :c5angry:
    Gini Index: 33 medium low

    Democracy Index :c5goldenage:
    7.65 (33th) Flawed democracy

    Research & Developments spending :c5science:
    $1.7 billion (PPP) (39th)
    0.6% of GDP (PPP)

    Religion :c5faith:
    Orthodoxy: 94%
    No Religion: 4%
    Islam: 1.3%
    Other Religions: 0.7%​



    * % of GDP numbers may vary as each figures are from different years between 2010-2012


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  6. MerchantCo

    MerchantCo Merchant

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    Wow, that must have been a lot of work!
     
  7. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    I will upload China(PRC+Taiwan), Japan, France, Germany and Ottomans(Turkey) tomorrow.

    I'm still wondering what to do with;

    Rome (All those Mediterranean territories!!!)

    England and Celts (should I combine them into UK?)

    Carthage (Tunis + Algiers maybe?)

    Arabia (Saudi Arabia + so many other Arab nations...)

    ect...

    I can't even imagine what to do with the Huns :D



    Anyway, please let me know of any errors and feel free to comment!

    Cheers

     
  8. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    Thanks, It's my kind of hobby, a bit nerdy I guess.

    :lol:
     
  9. phos_hilaron

    phos_hilaron Warlord

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    enjoyed it! I found it interesting.
     
  10. Jaymax

    Jaymax Chieftain

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    Fantastic work :D. Must've taken a lot of effort.

    On England and Scotland, just combine them into one nation. We aren't independent unless people vote yes, so we're still one nation.
     
  11. otaman1

    otaman1 Prince

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    Agree. Just make the Celts represent Ireland.
     
  12. Socratatus

    Socratatus Emperor

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    Do you realise with what little understanding the real world is ruled, my friends? It may look in order, but it isn`t.

    They`re all almost as bad as the AI.
     
  13. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    Thanks, some countries don't publish these international stats *cough* North Korea *cough* and it was bit annoying to leave it as blank :)

    Alright, I will do England -> UK :) (What's gonna happen in 2014 Scotland though?)

    Celts -> Republic of Ireland :D

    Nice quote from the pope there - forgot which one :)

    Of course the real world is much more complicated and can not be represented with a few statistics, but this post can still be used to paint a general picture of how they are doing as a nation.




    Anyway... so, nobody has problems with the *global firepower index* or the *democracy index*???

    I was worried people might have problem with theses figures. :)

    For example, Greece doesn't have full democracy, it's considered to be flawed :crazyeye:
     
  14. otaman1

    otaman1 Prince

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    For Manpower, you should add the active soldiers, and the ones in reserve so that way we know how many soldiers each nation has both active and in reserve
     
  15. Strategist83

    Strategist83 King

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    Who has unlocked the most social policies?
     
  16. PrideDefiler

    PrideDefiler Chieftain

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    Yep. It's already included in the *global firepower index*

    http://www.globalfirepower.com/ - you can visit their site and see how they come up with the index. :)

    They use a whole lot more of data to calculate the index.



    Unfortunately, :c5culture: is something I really wanted to include on the list, but just could not find a way to quantify and measure.

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    "Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so."
    --Galileo

    Sorry Galileo... I have failed you :D
     
  17. Josh123914

    Josh123914 Chieftain

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    *Nope*
    Have England represent England (or Britain, whichever suits) but the Celts are meant to represent the 6 Celtic nations:
    Scotland
    Wales
    Ireland
    Isle of Man
    Cornwall
    & The Channel Islands.

    Now, obviously the last 2 are too small to find, but please at the very least combine Wales, Scotland and the Rep. of Ireland.
     
  18. PrideDefiler

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    Now it's China...

    Both People's Republic of China (PRC) and Republic of China (ROC) will be its successor nations.

    PRC - Mainland China with one party communist system.

    ROC - Island China of Taiwan with multiparty democracy.




    China in Civilization V



    People's Republic of China [中华人民共和国] (China)

    Capital :c5capital:
    Beijing

    Population :c5citizen:
    1,353,821,000 (1st)

    Land :c5moves:
    9,706,961 km2 (4th)



    Economy

    Gross Domestic Product :c5gold:
    PPP: $12.405 trillion (2nd)
    Nominal: $8.227 trillion (2nd)


    GDP per capita
    PPP: $9,161 (91st)
    Nominal: $6,075[ (90th)


    Agriculture :c5food:
    10.1% of GDP

    Manufacturing :c5production:
    45.3% GDP

    Trade :c5trade:
    Exports: $2.021 trillion (1st)
    Imports: $1.78 trillion (2nd)
    Balance: $241 billion

    Public debt :c5citystate:
    $1.822 trillion
    22.15% of GDP

    Foreign reserves
    $3.44 trillion

    Economic aid
    $1.4 billion recipient


    Military

    Firepower :c5war:
    Global firepower index: 0.3351 (3rd)

    Military expenditure :c5strength:
    PPP: $249 billion (2nd)
    Nominal: $166 billion (2nd)
    2.0% of GDP​



    Society

    Human Development Index :c5happy:
    0.699 (101st) medium

    Income Inequality :c5angry:
    Gini Index: 47.4 very high

    Democracy Index :c5goldenage:
    3.00 (142nd) Authoritarian regime

    Research & Developments spending :c5science:
    $269.8 billion (PPP) (2nd)
    1.97% of GDP (PPP)

    Religion :c5faith:
    No Religion: 42%
    Folk Religions and Taoism: 30%
    Buddhism: 18%
    Christianity: 4%
    Other Religions: 4%
    Islam: 2%




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    Republic of China [中華民國] (Taiwan)

    Capital :c5capital:
    Taipei

    Population :c5citizen:
    23,340,136 (50th)

    Land :c5moves:
    36,193 km2 (136th)



    Economy

    Gross Domestic Product :c5gold:
    PPP: $903.469 (20th)
    Nominal: $473.971 billion (27th)


    GDP per capita
    PPP: $38,749 (19th)
    Nominal: $20,328 (39th)


    Agriculture :c5food:
    1.6% of GDP

    Manufacturing :c5production:
    29.2% GDP

    Trade :c5trade:
    Exports: $307 billion (18th)
    Imports: $279.2 billion (16th)
    Balance: $27.8 billion

    Public debt :c5citystate:
    $201 billion
    42.4% of GDP

    Foreign reserves
    $406 billion

    Economic aid
    No info



    Military

    Firepower :c5war:
    Global firepower index: 0.8632 (18th)

    Military expenditure :c5strength:
    Nominal: $10.7 billion (20th)​



    Society

    Human Development Index :c5happy:
    0.882(22nd) very high

    Income Inequality :c5angry:
    Gini Index: 34.2 medium low

    Democracy Index :c5goldenage:
    7.57 (35th) Flawed democracy

    Research & Developments spending :c5science:
    $19 billion (13th)
    2.3% of GDP

    Religion :c5faith:
    Buddhism: 35.1%
    Taoism: 33%
    No Religion: 18.7%
    Christianity: 3.9%
    Yiguandao: 3.5%
    Tiendery: 2.2%
    Other Religions: 2.4%
    Miledadao: 1.1%
    Liism: 0.8%​



    * % of GDP numbers may vary as each figures are from different years between 2010-2012


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  19. orikos

    orikos Praetorian from Orikosia

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    It's very interesting.
    What does it mean "no religion" ?
    Does "no religion" is atheism ?
     
  20. otaman1

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    You'd just answered your own question.

    @josh. How is that gonna work? England today, consist of Scotland, Wales, England, and Northern Ireland. The Celts are strongly misrepresented in CiV. They do not represent any modern civ, but take in consider that England had conquered Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, that means the Celts must represent the Rep. of Ireland. Plus, this is 2013, not 15whatever
     

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