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How come clearing forests/jungle doesn't help research sometimes?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by Leathaface, Mar 13, 2012.

  1. Leathaface

    Leathaface Emperor

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    Even if the Forest/Jungle is just one tile outside the city. Sometimes they game says clearing a forest will provide 50 hammers for the nearby city, this always provides research. Yet other times this message doesn't come up, it just says "clear forest", and research it still helped.

    I dunno.
     
  2. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    As in building research? Forest chops don't apply to build research - they apply to the next real build, you can use this to build research, chop loads of forests, and use all the chopped hammers in your next build. Especially popular for chopping space parts at the end. Chopped hammers don't decay.
     
  3. Leathaface

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    I mean as in if for example building a granary takes 30 turns, if you chop a forest it only takes 17 turns then.

    How come chopping a forest doesn't always cut down the amount of turns?
     
  4. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    I'm confused by your mention of research. Has nothing to do with chopping.

    OP, Jungles do not provide hammers with chops. It does reduce health concerns if the jungle is in your BFC.

    Forests always provide hammers, if the forest is near your city. The further the forest is from you city the less hammers you get. Maths boosts hammers from chops.
     
  5. Leathaface

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    Do the cities boundaries get bigger in Before The Sword? In the original Civ IV the city stretches out by 2 tiles on each sides, down and up 2 tiles and another tile up and down with a 1 tile to the sides of these. I swear on Before the Sword I was able to get a resource 3 tiles to the side of the center of the city itself.

    What do you mean it reduces health concerns? (Also, what does BFC mean?)
     
  6. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    BFC = Big Fat cross, which is the workable area of each city and, to answer your first question, has always been the same from vanilla Civ IV to "Beyond" the Sword. :)

    Jungles within your BFC cause additional unhealthiness so you usually want to chop them away once you get Iron Working (IW). Jungles provide no benefit to a city with the exception of the National Park city, but I'd still rather have forests for that city, if I build NP.

    Now a city's culture will eventually extend beyond the original 24 tile BFC, but the city can only ever work those 20 tiles.
     
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    I hope you are not troytheface's sister ;)
     
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    BFC is the big fat cross - the 20 tiles your citizens can work.

    The boundaries can get bigger with more culture, which would allow you to "get" a resource tile 3 tiles from the city tile. you won't be able to work that tile if it's outside the BFC, though. If you wanted to work it, you would have to put down another city.
     
  9. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Hall of Fame Staff

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    ack! Yep, 20 tiles. Sorry, I always get that wrong when not looking at it due to the 4 tiles that overlap.
     
  10. Leathaface

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    What is the best type of weather for getting forests? Is it temperment?

    I have only gotten up to Warlord difficulty recently, in my last game I was winning on it.
     
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    Rainforest
     
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    Uhh.... Don't do that. It'll net you lots of jungles.

    Take Temperate climate. The Boreal mapscript also has lots of forests.
     
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    What are the max tiles in the BFC.
     
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    The Max and Min are the same. Including the city square 21.
     
  15. Manco Capac

    Manco Capac Friday,13 June,I Collapse

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    Arboria is the ultimate mascript for forests. Boreal is competitive too but underlying lands suck.
     
  16. capnvonbaron

    capnvonbaron Democratia gladii

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    Clearing jungle doesn't produce hammers. Only forest. That said, its still important to clear jungle because jungle causes health/growth problems, so in a sense clearing jungle will help with research/production too.
     
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    And jungle takes -1F so clearing it turns it from a 1F to a 2F tile, right?
     
  18. King Pluto

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    Correct.
     
  19. Butterball

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    what's a 1F or 2F?
     
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    F=Food
     

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