How do you defeat Trump?

[caketastydelish]

Your point is that you don't think that headlines affected people's voting decisions?

Not if the headlines are something they don't give a rats ass about.

 

[Estebonrober]

How to defeat Trump? I don't know since I've got nothing. The United States is very divided nation right now.

For starters, the Dems could reach out and offer policies that would attract the voters they drove away back in 2016.

Part of the problem is Dems have this insistence where they defend the meek these days and lets be honest the American voter really misses bashing minorities in public. . . I mean bring the socialism with racism and homophobia and flyover country jumps right on board. (only a little sarcastic, this is in reference to the PC problem the left faces in gaining votes).

 

[amadeus]

Yes, out bully, out lie and out insult him to take away his natural advantages. Once you're even on those, maybe policies might actually come up for discussion.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, they don’t have anyone as skilled as Trump in this arena. They would go for things that are tired memes (his face is orange! He has small hands!) and aren’t effective attacks.

Democrats would also lose that cherished “moral high ground” that would affect downraces and take away from Nancy Pelosi’s attempts to contrast the Dems from the GOP.

 

[Estebonrober]

Unfortunately for the Democrats, they don’t have anyone as skilled as Trump in this arena. They would go for things that are tired memes (his face is orange! He has small hands!) and aren’t effective attacks.

Democrats would also lose that cherished “moral high ground” that would affect downraces and take away from Nancy Pelosi’s attempts to contrast the Dems from the GOP.

Yea if they get as petty as Tim then I start to frown. They could do "we should not have to put up with this level of stupid in the WH" line and get away with it.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I 100% agree with Tim's first couple of posts of just calling him a jerk and fighting him on those terms. That's part of why I am such a Warren fan. She wouldn't necessarily call him an idiot as her opening gambit but she does not back down from a fight. People hated on her for refusing to shake Bernie's hand I'm over here excited at the prospect of her doing that or worse with Trump. She doesn't take gruff and not respond the way Hillary did.

 

[GenMarshall]

Unfortunately for the Democrats, they don’t have anyone as skilled as Trump in this arena. They would go for things that are tired memes (his face is orange! He has small hands!) and aren’t effective attacks.

I'm more interested in actual policies that would set them apart from the competition. Saying "Orange Man Bad!" is not going to sell me anything other than convincing me to vote third party, again. I honestly don't see any sort of policies that would help the average American worker or give American workers stuck in retail or low wage opportunities (or create an environment favorable) to advance and better their lot economically.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

You're just rallying your base.

It works for Republicans consistently. As much as Bernie's supporters here* get on my nerves, I love their enthusiasm and energy. Trump had that in 2016 and we didn't. We need that right now.

*And I'll name names, lmao fight me

 

[Estebonrober]

"Really? This infantile dribble" anytime Trump lobs a petty insult. Just come up with a series of those kind of mocking the stupid child being petty lines.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yea if they get as petty as Tim then I start to frown. They could do "we should not have to put up with this level of stupid in the WH" line and get away with it.

As I said, when someone suggested that *I* was demeaning the campaign or the office I was running for I would laugh in their face.

When I was a youngster I knew this guy who invariably responded to bullying by saying "you're just jealous." Really smart dude, probably had ten times the future that anyone bullying him could ever hope for. He was universally treated like a loser and by the time he was a senior in high school his friends (of which I was one in a very small number) pretty much had him on suicide watch. If you think you can beat a bully by going high brow on them, good luck...but you will lose the crowd, be they high school kids or voters.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Hillary outraised Trump $$$-wise in a 2-to-1 manner.
She won all 3 debates against him.
She got more popular vote than him.
538 gave her a 71% chance to win.

Basically, don't ignore Wisconsin and the Dems have it.

Especially if China detonates the world economy due to virus-induced bad debt.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...-sending-china-debt-to-the-moon/#1e8e29f163bf

 

[Berzerker]

Just be Hillary with a little more charisma and without her baggage of corruption and warmongering (that leaves you out, Joe), go campaign in the rust belt and appeal to the middle. Be polite and classy in debates and let him look like an immature child on a schoolyard. Trump lucked out in 2016, minor tweaks are all thats needed. And for god's sake, dont stick yer neck out trying to be woke.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Be polite and classy in debates and let him look like an immature child on a schoolyard.

I don't think this will work.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I don't think this will work.

Sure it will. People who back Trump are secretly yearning for someone polite and classy to out polite and classy him. Everyone can see that.

 

[Lexicus]

Democrats would also lose that cherished “moral high ground” that would affect downraces and take away from Nancy Pelosi’s attempts to contrast the Dems from the GOP.

This cherished "moral high ground" is a bunch of utter nonsense in any case. Trying to take the "moral high ground" against the fascists and other assorted scum who comprise today's GOP is rather like a peacock attempting to use its display to scare off a viper.

The real moral high ground is ideological. It's about refusing to cede to plutocrats, refusing to accept the corrupt system that produced Trump. Everything else is performative crap (exhibit one is Nancy tearing up Trump's speech after having voted for his border enforcement, military bill, etc.).

 

[hobbsyoyo]

scum who comprise today's GOP is rather like a peacock attempting to use its display to scare off a viper.

I don't know about peacocks and vipers specifically but uh...that kind of stuff works most of the time. I know what you meant though. It's kind of interesting to consider how that plays back into the metaphor.

Maybe 'they go low, we go high' can work? I can't remember if that was a 2008/2012 thing or just a 2016 thing. If the latter then yeah it was a miserable failure with Hillary.

 

[Rashiminos]

Media events, rallies, interviews, debates...everywhere I go I'm in a tee shirt that says "Flush the Turd November Third." If anyone says that I am lowering the dignity of the office I laugh in their face.

That's a decent idea as long as the voters know you mean Trump when you say Turd.

 

[Lexicus]

I don't know about peacocks and vipers specifically but uh...that kind of stuff works most of the time. I know what you meant though. It's kind of interesting to consider how that plays back into the metaphor.

Maybe 'they go low, we go high' can work? I can't remember if that was a 2008/2012 thing or just a 2016 thing. If the latter then yeah it was a miserable failure with Hillary.

I don't think so, not insofar as "going high" is a matter of decorum. While Tim and I have our ideological differences we are in full agreement about the value of bullying Trump worse than he bullies others.

 

[Rashiminos]

Call for a general strike after the Republicans rig the election. Bring the nation to a halt until Trump and McConnell agree to step down.

Not that I don't think you're ready for it, but that way lies Boogaloo.

This cherished "moral high ground" is a bunch of utter nonsense in any case. Trying to take the "moral high ground" against the fascists and other assorted scum who comprise today's GOP is rather like a peacock attempting to use its display to scare off a viper.

The real moral high ground is ideological. It's about refusing to cede to plutocrats, refusing to accept the corrupt system that produced Trump. Everything else is performative crap (exhibit one is Nancy tearing up Trump's speech after having voted for his border enforcement, military bill, etc.).

Eventually the conservatives are going to learn that everyone else isn't playing with one arm tied behind their backs. Nice wildcard element when that disillusionment sets in.

 

[Lexicus]

Not that I don't think you're ready for it, but that way lies Boogaloo.

Oh, I'm not ready for it at all, which is why I'm generally in despair about the future of our country and of human civilization more generally. I also am not sure that any of the Democratic candidates can win a fair election (not that I don't think the Republicans will cheat anyway). A lot of the cheating is already baked in through various forms of voter suppression and gerrymandering at the state level anyway.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's a decent idea as long as the voters know you mean Trump when you say Turd.

LOL...yeah, sure, like anyone needs that spelled out. Nice pretense man. Hilarious.