Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by prince_caspian, Jul 10, 2012.
Or did Sparta just win the Peloponessian War?
Most likely Athens was in enemy hands when Alex found his religion, so his current capital was Sparta.
Great Prophet can move around to different city to find and enhance religion.
Yeah just move your GP to the city you want as your holy city when founding a religion
I heard that AI will always found religion in the capital, so yea, Athens was probably captured before Alex founded one. A human can walk the Great Prophet to another city and make that the holy city.
On a similar note, if your holy city is not your capital, and the AI razes it, do you no longer have a holy city, or does it get relocated to another city? Go raze Sparta and see what happens
I moved my Great Prophet to a city that was more centrally located to make my holy city there so it would spread better. But it wasn't a city with good food so it stayed small the entire game and other religions overwhelmed mine.
Not being your capital runs the risk of razing and being gone for good, I believe; however, the AI are reluctant to raze Holy Cities (they'll puppet/annex more often)... CS are another matter so make sure if your Holy City isn't your capital it's not near a CS that can be turned against you.
Unless your capital is off in the boondocks and is connected to another, more central city via roads, there's very little reason to found your religion in a city other than your capital.
I'm very sure that Alex didn't lose Athens. Besides the notification thing (which didn't happen), it was Greek and size 15 - unlikely that it was captured and retaken by 1420 AD. If that happened Athens would be a really small hamlet. Also, I'm a little lazy to take screens but it was Sparta that was actually captured by the magnificent one. Since I trust what you guys say, Alex must have moved his prophet to Sparta, but why? When it's far better to just found his Dionysian Confucian cult in the more defensible capital and you don't miss a turn anyway. I did not expect AIs to do outlandish things like these though.
What order were the religions founded? Did his capital already have a major by the time he earned his GP? Does it spawn in a non-affiliated location if your capital already has a major and you have cities that don't? Does it still spawn there, but the AI's programming leads him to move it to a city that doesn't yet have a majority?
If anyone has a theory:
Did he build hagia sophia in Sparta? I doubt whether the AI will ever move the prophet after spawning it. Edit: similarly, maybe the prophet was a patronage gift.
Could Alex, perhaps, have had another GPer/Worker/Settler stationed in Athens so the GPro spawned in Sparta instead? I've never had it happen to me, so I don't know how that situation would work. If you had been playing as the Greeks, would it still spawn in Athens and then request you to "Move Stacked Unit"?
EDIT: Now that I think about it, I have had a GE stationed in a city when a GS spawned and it did tell me to "Move Stacked Unit" so I guess that's not the case. I've never had it happen with a Great Prophet, however.
I have a quick question semi-related to this thread.
I like conquering holy cities, but on the religion screen it still shows the religion belonging to the previous civ, and not me. For instance, I conquer Amsterdam, but the religion screen shows the holy city as Amsterdam Netherlands.
And what bonus' if any do I get from taking a holy city?
Conquering a holy city gives you no special benefits; you just own a city with a bunch of extra built in pressure for a religion that the other civ will get founder bonuses for.
Feels like a missed opportunity to me. Conquering the Holy City is the strongest reason to even HAVE a Holy City represented in game, and it's just not there. Should give you a happiness boost if you control the Holy City for the dominant religion in each city (possibly: or are allied with the Holy City for the dominant religion in your cities), plus give you the founder bonuses if you actually own it.
Does Sparta have the Hagia Sophia? What if he built that there and then used the Great Prophet from that without moving it.?
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