iggymnrr and mintcandy, Thanks for the replies. I have another question for you. How do I get a second army with 4 keshiks and a horseman built up by turn 7 to take Liaoyang? If I start the 1st army toward Russia, I have captured Uighur by turn 7 but have no money to buy anything to start the second arm with. Good advice on using the triremes move effectively. I'll have to try going after Japan after I've finished off the China's so I have the upgrades.