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[C3C] how long does it take to complete a game

Discussion in 'Civ3 - General Discussions' started by robbus, Mar 28, 2020.

  1. robbus

    robbus Warlord

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    I play one game per year and it typically takes over 100 hrs...

    I just levelled up to emperor...

    I am curious as to how many games per year others play. Te better you are the quicker the games I guess.

    Also do any civ 3 ers have an opinion about civ4? I have read reviews that rate it higher. I know rules of civ3 better so I play it more.

    COD2 or SCARFACE are my favorite games
     
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  2. vmxa

    vmxa Deity Supporter

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    I have many games that are over 200 hrs, it is a function of the map size and style of victory I guess. I mainly play conquest and it takes time. I think the time includes all the time I was actually doing other things like out to lunch or watching tv. I don't always close the game, when I walk away.

    Civ4, really liked it for a month, then not so much. Civ 5 I hated it right off. Civ 6 I enjoyed for time, but rarely play any more. Loved civ 2, until III came out. Can't remember civ I, then I can't remember many things now a days (74).
     
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  3. CKS

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    How long a game takes depends on what kind of game it is. Low level, small space races probably take less than 10 hours. A big histographic game might take 500 hours (it is hard to tell for sure, since like vmxa I don't always close the game). My last histographic game took rather more than a year to play. I've had many games roll over to negative times, though.

    The number of games I play in a year fluctuates a lot, depending on work and kids. Probably between 10 and 50 games a year, though. Some for GOTM, some for HOF, some for neither of these.

    I own Civ4 but I don't play it. When I first got it, I was interested to learn it, but it wouldn't really run on my computer. Now I'm too busy and lazy to learn it. Maybe when the kids are out on their own.
     
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  4. jarred!

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    I can rush through a spaceship or diplomatic game in less than 12 hours; I think I've played some that are under 5 hours, but I'm thinking about tiny chieftain games in which I can race through in cruise control. Generally, the larger the map, the higher the difficulty, and the more fighting, the longer it takes. I have some games that have taken over 72 hours and I generally don't go AFK.
    I'm not sure about how many games per year I play. I abandon a fair amount of the games I start, I might go weeks without playing or play a game in a weekend.
    I bought civ iv when it came out and played for a while, but I didn't have as much fun as I do playing iii. I joke that the third installment is always the best since I still play heroes of might and magic 3 too.
     
  5. robbus

    robbus Warlord

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    I hate abandoning games but civ3 is the kind of game that makes it hard to dig out of a hole... I usually quit after losing a core city.
    I should play more to challenge myself.
     
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    Same here ... I rarely abandon a game (usually I'll just "retire"), but I had a couple games I got so deep in a hole I just decided to leave them alone & start anew.

    (Playing at Regent now ... another couple games and I'll try moving up to Monarch.)
     
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  7. Quintillus

    Quintillus Archiving Civ3 Content Supporter

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    These days, it probably averages a game a year. But I have a penchant for playing games with large maps. Sometimes I'll pick up a GOTM game, and play it in 10-20 hours... which is quick compared to most contestants, but I'm not trying to finish on the leaderboards. Otherwise, I tend to be play long, epic games, in recent years either the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire mod, or a game for a story I'm writing, in which case the writing part of it takes at least close to as long as the game itself. IIRC, for the longest story I wrote back in 2007-2008, the game's count of the playtime was around 270 hours, which would have included some writing time but little of the editing time. That's my longest-playtime finished game to date. Probably 10-20 hours of that was AI turn times as well, as they peaked at around 5 minutes on the old Pentium 4.

    These days, I find that in any game (Civ3 or otherwise), I tend to play the game quite a bit for 1-4 weeks, and then become a bit tired of it, and move on to something else. I might come back in a year or so, but typically start a new game at that time. So a lot of games don't wind up getting finished. I think this is in part because I have access to far more games now than I did in my Civ3 heydey, which was roughly 2003-2009. Having a 9-5, my own place to live, and transportation so I can go out and do things more easily likely also contributes to why I don't finish a lot of games.

    I actually like Civ4, these days about equally with Civ3. My computer couldn't handle it very well back in 2005, which led to my migration back to Civ3 in 2007, but when I revisited it in 2009 with a computer that could handle it well, I found it's actually not bad at all. It's generally like Civ3, but with more depth, and is the most moddable version of Civ (albeit with a steeper learning curve than modding Civ3). I'm sure I could dig up some posts from the late 2000s where I wrote about why I preferred Civ3, but these days I have trouble remembering what those were - the different artillery model being one, but that's less irksome in Beyond the Sword (Civ4's second expansion) than vanilla. I think the larger empires of Civ3 were another point against Civ4, but with faster computers these days and the ability to play larger maps, that is less noticeable now. In my current Civ4 game, I have 47 cities - enough to feel like I'm ruling a real empire, even if I would have had more on a Civ3 Huge map.

    In short, Civ4 is spiritually an evolution of Civ3, and gets a lot of the "like Civ3, but more so" aspect right, at least if you play it with expansions. If I'd waited until the expansions came out before buying it, I don't know if I would have come back to Civ3. But as it is, I enjoy both iterations, and go back and forth between them nowadays.

    Civ5, by contrast, changes a lot of things, notably the military (1 UPT) and expansion (heavy penalties for over-expansion, much harsher than Civ4, which in turn is harsher than Civ3). I gave it one more try this winter, but have concluded that even with the expansions, I just don't enjoy it. I haven't tried Civ6 yet, largely because it appears to be a spiritual evolution of Civ5, much like Civ4 was a spiritual evolution of Civ3.
     
  8. robbus

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    BTW do you play automated battles 'cuz I like watching my guys fight it out with the opponents.
    My favorite game on monarch level boiled down to me doing a dday against celts and building walls and a harbor while surrounded by mountains.
    I occupied the high ground with infantry and waited for their cavalry. 30-40 guys showed up to attack and it took at least 5min for the computer to attack me.

    Wish I had saved it...

    If anyone has an epic battle saved can you give me the file so as I can watch it?
     
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  9. tjs282

    tjs282 Socially distancing since 1975

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    Battle-animations are about the only thing I leave on during the IBT, so that I can see who hit me, and where.

    Late game, sometimes I turn them off during my turn, since all I really need to know then is how many fights my units won (and how many I have left for the next city!). Although that does mean I miss that certain frisson of suspense while watching the HP drop during the fight, when I have a couple of dozen bombardment-units and Tanks to throw, it can take quite a while (on my machine) for all the individual combat-rounds to resolve.

    And I'm not getting any younger...
     
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  10. Spoonwood

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    There's a way you can set it up so that you can watch the AI fight against other AI by using the editor. I don't know about such as feeling as epic though.

    Below is one save that you might play around with. My other save (which I'm not including) indicates that I had all of the cities that Babylon had on the left side of the island captured by the end of 230 AD.

    I'm doubtful it's as epic as what you describe above though, since the Maya have a large number of cavalry, and already 'average' in military might to the Babylonians.

    I recall fighting several large stacks of Persian units with just one knight army to protect a stack of cannons and a lot of cavalry, but the save is long gone. Something similar though might get created from the 10 AD save here.
     

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  11. need my speed

    need my speed Rex Omnium Imperarium

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    How so? I'd love to see what a maximum aggressive AI with only a Conquest victory makes of an Earth map.
     
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    I think it's a simple as opening the Editor, activating the 'Edit rules' option and then setting the .biq to 'Debug' in the Scenario Properties (you'll probably also want to Reveal Entire Map). Once that's done, save the .biq under a new name, e.g. "Epic DEBUG.biq", in your ...Conquests/Scenarios/ folder.

    For an Earth-Map specifically, before saving that DEBUG.biq, use 'Import Map' to bring whichever map you want (e.g. Marla Singer's) into it, and then save the new file under e.g. "Earth Epic DEBUG.biq"

    You can then then use your new Debug .biq(s) to start a game via the 'Civ-Content' menu, which will allow you to watch any AI that takes your interest, anywhere in the world, during each IBT. Be warned, though, the IBTs may/will take a very long time to process.
     
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    need my speed Rex Omnium Imperarium

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    Ah, I see, I will investigate this tomorrow! This implies that I would manually press 'next turn' every time, there is no autoplay option or such? Still, sounds interesting!
     
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  14. Jivilov

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    At Emperor on Standard map it usually takes 15-25 hours. Demigod 25-35 (only won twice). Longest ever was Demigod on a Large map (about the only time ever played non-standard) which took 80 hours in a losing effort--Genghis won a Cultural just 3 turns before launching the SS! Battle animations are on, along with enemy moves. After all these years it's still quite a spectacle. Love the colors and just about everything else--even going into cities to fix unhappiness gives a kind of grim satisfaction. So easy to suspend disbelief while playing this incredible game!

    As for Civ4 the suicide siege and "cultural defense" features are turnoffs. [Edit: Plus whipping is grossly overpowered yet practically required at higher levels.] At least with BTS expansion War Weariness has been turned down so that it's possible to fight a 20-turn war without destroying your economy. Highest level I've won at 4 was on Emperor; once with Warlords and once with BTS. Needless to say 3 is my favorite game which I play maybe 20 to 30 times a year. Cheers!
     
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  15. ciquta

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    I play small map archipelago 60%water and usually it doesn't take longer than 20hrs and 450turns to get a space victory

    This way I have less exposed areas with others civs, less time spent by the sea and I can focus more on developing.

    Wars take too much time and pain.
     
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  16. Theov

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    because it took so long I've been playing on smaller maps lately - takes about 2 weeks a game but honestly don't have the time to play a lot.
    I couldn't tell you how many hours, I don't look at that.
    I also upped the diff levels so my civs are smaller nowadays, which takes less time to manage.
     
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  17. vorlon_mi

    vorlon_mi Just One More Turn

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    I'm still playing at Regent, and love to grow a large empire to build the spaceship. After some RL changes, I probably play 6-7 games per year, each one requiring 30-45 hours. I'm trying to win with all the tribes, and still exercise my warfighting muscles.

    One of my daughters has a boyfriend who is really into Civ 4. I've played a few games of BTS so that we can swap stories, but it requires more detailed planning than I'm used to. I don't win the race to Liberalism consistently, and I have keep fighting so that one AI doesn't run away with tech advances. It's hard to view Civ 4 as relaxing, the way that Civ 3 is for me.

    I played Civ 5 for a while after it came out, and got bored with the small empires. Last year, I picked up Beyond Earth (and its expansion pack) on sale on Steam, and it's actually more fun than Civ 5 even though it has many of the same mechanics. I can relax while playing it, and so have played less Civ 3 than I used to.
     
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    Me, too, though I'm thinking it's either time to move up, or start playing larger maps (never played bigger than Standard). I'm on my 60th C3C game & 24th at Regent* (Carthage/Standard/Arch./80%) going for a Spaceship. (This is my first try as Carthage at any level.) Fun thing about this game ... first time another Civ (Spain) was destroyed before I even met them (probably by the Portuguese, if I'm reading my primitive pre-trading maps accurately.
    Spoiler :
    Not counting a couple abandoned attempts at Mongols ... just couldn't seem to make them work to my satisfaction and didn't feel like 'retiring' as I've done on a few other games ... just left them behind, so I suppose I could always try them again if I can find the saves.
    I decided against that, personally. There are characteristics I just don't like dealing with. I hate Expansionist ... never did well with that. I'm learning Seafaring and have done OK with that (started with the Vikings, and you can imagine how crushingly well that went).
    That's probably an area I can learn more about (and I recently read zerksees' come from behind to win scenario, which was fascinating and helpful), especially as I've not done much warmaking at Regent.
     
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  19. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    A couple of months ago I started playing epic games (Monarch difficulty, large map, all random, standard VCs) for the first time since 2017. Other than a lot of abandoned games (seriously, a pangæa map where you start in the north with no resources is a nightmare especially if you're barred from the rest of the mainland by, say, the Greeks with their hoplites) my games have been clocking as low as 10 and as high as 24 hours of gameplay. It reeeeally depends on the initial position and how/when the AI starts steamrolling.
     
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  20. Puppeteer

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    Complete a game? I almost never do that. Games usually get boring for me from the mid-to-late IA if not earlier. Either I feel like I'm powerful enough to win easily or I'm not sure but don't want to slog it out.

    For some reason the early expansion and development is what interests me the most.

    I'm also not terribly serious about needing to win. I play for fun, so I don't generally try hard. I usually restart if my starting position isn't a lot of grassland, and especially if I'm by lots of jungle or marsh. I used to regularly play Emperor but have moved back down to Monarch because I don't want stupid mistakes to cost me as much.

    I'm not really even that good at the game. As much as I like the early expansion phase, I'm still not particularly good at it. Or at least I always think I could have and should have done better.

    Edit: I bought Civ4 when it came out and played it some at Noble level. I just never bothered with learning all the ins and outs. It did fix a lot of annoying problems that exist with CivIII, but I think mostly because I'm familiar with Civ3 and don't want to spend a lot of time learning a complex "new" game, Civ3 is the game I go back to periodically. I also used to like SMAC and in theory still do, but I don't think I've even had it installed in years...maybe a decade or more. I was never particularly good at SMAC, but I'm not necessarily "good" at Civ3 beyond the advice I picked up from here. Never even tried Civ5 or Civ6, but I did have Civ Revolutions on DS and the demo on Xbox360. Never really caught on with me, though; was really a streamlined Civ4 if I recall.
     
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