# How much will you pay to stop abortion?

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## How much would you pay to stop abortion?

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1. ### cgannon64BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!

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How much do you value the life of your best friend? A life is obviously unquantifiable.

(I would pay, as I said, the percentage assigned to each citizen to support the government program you mention.)

2. ### JohnRMDon't make me destroy you

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Look up the definition of 'orphan' sometime and get back to me.

3. ### JohnRMDon't make me destroy you

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It would take some study to make that determination, but I imagine that it would require anywhere between \$1,000 to \$3,000 per year, per child.

There were an estimated 1,293,000 abortions last year. Now, with the criminalization of abortion, I am willing to bet that many will be more responsible concerning their sexual habits. I am also willing to bet that many who do have children who would otherwise have aborted that child, will decide to raise the child themselves.

At most, I would expect 323,250 children to be born who would otherwise have been aborted and whose parents would release the children into state (or federal) custody. I believe that the likely number is to be 161,625 per year, declining over time.

*Bold denotes the numbers that I would expect.

For 1,293,000 children - \$1,293,000,000 to \$3,879,000,000
For 0,323,250 children - \$0,323,250,000 to \$0,969,750,000
For 0,161,625 children - \$0,161,625,000 to \$0,484,875,000

Now, adding the fact that you have to account for the expenditure compounded over eighteen years, you come to...

For 1,293,000 children - \$23,274,000,000 to \$69,822,000,000
For 0,323,250 children - \$05,818,500,000 to \$17,455,500,000
For 0,161,625 children - \$02,909,250,000 to \$08,727,750,000

In my best estimation, without serious research, it will cost between three and ten billion per year, declining steadily over twenty years and leveling out thereafter.

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The cost of raising a middle class child is 200K or about 10K/yr in yhe US. Much mor if they have medical or developmental problems which the non aborted kids would have at a higher rate because of poor maternal behavior.

5. ### JohnRMDon't make me destroy you

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A middle-class child is given too much.

6. ### Mark1031Deity

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So you you value your best friends life more than others? yet it is unquantifiable? 10 bucks/mo can supposed;y save a few lives in in the 3rd world. With the US GDP what it is do you support reducing our standard of living to save these lives? Life I'm afraid is a commodity with a variable but defined value.

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Well it is by definition the middle in this country and fairness dictates that the totally faultless child deserves that kind of a start. Level playing field and all .

8. ### cgannon64BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!

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Where did you get that? I merely used the example of a "best friend" because I was hoping it would strike close to home and make you realize the human life is unquantifiable.
Defined only in that a certain dollar amount can save it. But, in the abstract, I can't say that saving a fetus is worth \$10 or \$1000 out of my pocket. I would say it is worth exactly how much it costs to save.

The real aim of your question, I think, was to get the pro-lifers to answer with some dollar amount, and then call them cheap. How much, after all, is a life worth in the abstract? You could name any number and someone else could call you a thrifty, heartless bastard.

9. ### ElrohirRELATIONAL VALORIZATION

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I'm not voting. This is a stupid poll. Taxing the American people large amounts of money to stop abortion is extortion. I'd gladly die if it meant stopping abortion forever in America, but I'm not going to support taxing the American people over it.

10. ### blackheartunenlightened

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So... would voting to pay mean you're supporting welfare? Because I thought most conservatives don't support welfare.

11. ### cgannon64BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!

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Most conservatives, I think, happen to support welfare over death for children.

12. ### BirdjaguarHanafubukiSuper ModeratorSupporter

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Clearly, many prolifers see the abortion debate as merely an intellectual and political exercise to divide America and exert religious muscle. They don't see it as one where they would actually spend personal resources to save and raise the lives they desparately want to save.

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Abortion is illegal in Malaysia, and based on the news throughout the last few years, people will go any length to get rid of the new born baby, which includes dump it into garbage bin and wait for the infant to die. Most of the people who could affort abortion(illegally) will pay a consideral amount of money just to not to have the baby.

There's nothing you can do to stop abortion, IMO.

14. ### BirdjaguarHanafubukiSuper ModeratorSupporter

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Exactly! If you ban abortions, drugs will be the next method of choice and it can be done in the privacy of your home.

15. ### ZarnLe Républicain Catholique

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1/2 the income

Since I'm donating, it isn't stealing (unless I understood the question wrong).

16. ### blackheartunenlightened

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Why not welfare for starving families then?

17. ### ZarnLe Républicain Catholique

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The parents can get jobs. I'm more Libertarian than conservative, though.

18. ### ElrohirRELATIONAL VALORIZATION

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Execute any doctor who performs one with his own tools and drag his corpse through the streets behind a car as an angry mob throws rocks and gazelle carcasses at his house. I doubt many doctors would brave that for their ideas or money.

And it should also be an automatic capital crime to leave a baby where he will obviously die soon. That's the most despicable act imaginable. You get one appeal through the federal and state courts, then we execute you too.

In my America capital punishment is used often and efficiently, and those who don't quite warrant it get sentenced to hard labor until they literally drop dead in the sun.

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Then they'll abort them like what Birdjaguar has said, using drugs or deliberately starve themselves so that the embryo will die in them.

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Death before taxes.