cubsfan6506
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Popular Vote or the electoral system.
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How should The U.S determine it's presidents.
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LucyDuke
staring at the clock
Popular vote. The electoral system is too unbalanced.
Hygro
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well actually I think neither but given the two, a popular vote is better.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
The same way we always have. If it aint broke..dont fix it.
cubsfan6506
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U know that only works if the thing isn't broke.
Narz
keeping it real
It is broke. Er, sucks rather. Every vote should count (and nothing else should). Nice n' simple.
North King
blech
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Popular vote. The only conceivable argument that there is in favor of the electoral college is some nonsense about protecting small states' rights. First of all, that's hilariously untrue, as candidates rarely campaign in states with less than 10 or so electoral votes. Secondly, what is this, the United States, or just the States?
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Our system isnt broke now is it?
No...its not broke at all. Its just fine and will continue to be fine. /sheesh.
Now saying it sucks is just down to opinion. Personally, I think popular vote would suck, because it would most certainly disenfranchise the smaller US states from playing any part at all.
cubsfan6506
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It's completely broke. How does not having the majority of the people on you're side than winning an election anyways not broken.
North King
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I'd say any system where an individual voter from a small state gets more say than a voter from a big state is broken.
But then, I believe in democracy, which seems to be a rare habit these days.
Hygro
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The English system of rule wasn't broke, but we fixed it anyway.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
You allegation is completely untrue. I see plenty of campaigning in small states...dont you? Idaho ring a bell?
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
You are over-reacting. If it were completely broke we couldnt elect a president.
Its not broken at all.
You folks just dont like it.
/oh well.
Its not going to change...nor should it change.
Btw, the majority has only not elected the president what? 2-3 times in all of our nations history? Please.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Again, more over-reaction. People get equal votes...no more, no less.
And democracy is doing just fine. Dont be so negative.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
Well, I hate to help out the bleeding-heart liberal socialists, but we sure as hell had trouble electing a President in 2000. It may not be entirely broke, but it isn't entirely whole, either.
This is all pointless, anyway. The problem is the influence of money and the ignorance of the people with regard to the elections.
Japanrocks12
tired of being a man
I think it's time to try a popular vote, simply because of the failures with the electoral system in the past and the humiliation and scandal following. (Like the corrupt bargain of 1824, the Hayes-Tilden affair of 1876, and the 2000 election)
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
That wasnt the systems fault...that was Al Gores fault. If Big Al and held to his concession phone call to Bush (he had actually called him and conceded...and then renigged on it) there wouldnt have been a problem.
The point of 2000 was if the democrats cant win fairly, they will create lawsuits. Thats just how pathetic they are. I for one, look at 2000 as the system coming through in the end and still working the way it should....hanging chads or no.
The problems of the US electoral system run deeper than the method of choosing the president. The two big problems are the lack of properly independent watchdogs (party affiliation being especially ingrained into American politics) and the fact that the states run their own elections.
The first problem leads to things like gerrymandering (letting politicians draw their own boundaries? what the hell!) and the second leads to wild inconsistancies in election methods and registration rules, and also to high margins of error in federal elections.
The first problem leads to things like gerrymandering (letting politicians draw their own boundaries? what the hell!) and the second leads to wild inconsistancies in election methods and registration rules, and also to high margins of error in federal elections.
