halfhalfharp
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France is currently a lesser choice to pick, as it is not powerful enough when compared to other civs, in every victory route.
Many attributes the weakness to Catherine's leader ability.
Actually her strength in spying is not a big trouble for me. Spies can do a lot of things when they have promotions that gives a 90% success chance. But the espionage strength is certainly an accessory as its comes really late and need alot of investment to work.
The bigger problem lies in France's viability towards a cultural victory, which is the only privileged route under its current civ Uniques.
Lets look at the Civ's uniques one by one:
Civ Unique ability:
One of the issue is the construction of later game wonders. They cost a lot of production, even if CdM has a boost in building them, but they are not providing a lot of tourism.
So France cities are constantly locked into building them. Yet a failure costs you dearly, due to the huge waste of time and production, but the reward is too small compared to it.
Unique unit:
The Grande Imperiale comes in handy for defensive purpose. But, like samurais, they are very expensive to build or to purchase. When cities are constantly locked in constructions, it is just impossible to make enough number of them and France can be easily overwhelmed by aggressive civs. And the defensive design renders a Grande Imperiale rush sth very unlikely to happen.
Unique Improvement:
They provide a decent amount of culture and some tourism, not bad as an improvement alone.
So we are putting wonders here, districts here, farmlands here... wait, this improvement occupies a tile and can only be built adjacent to river and it gets boost when it is adjacent to wonders? Where should I place my national park, and my seaside resort then?
The conditions to maximize benefits from Chateau are quite harsh, moreover it chews up valuable tiles for something else. This makes the land planning of France, where wonders already occupy alot of space, even more embarrassing.
Rounding up the above opinions, the weakness of French comes from
1, the tons of production they need, but yet they lack sufficient hammers
to function well
2, difficult tile management
3, everything comes so late but not so powerful
4, on top of all, CdM is good at sth costly but not so useful.
The solution we need is more than an alt leader can solve. Even CdM is gone, the problem is still there.
The late game problem is not really a serious thing. But we should make sure that it is worthy to survive all the hell-like early game. In the current situation, France only struggles through the early game to get into another horrible later game.
I guess France really needs a harder boost in wonder production, cheaper UU and less conditional UI( or more beneficial), in order to get a real improvement.
Or they can revolutionize the whole kit to make things better.
Proper suggestions: (collected ideas from responses to this post)
Many attributes the weakness to Catherine's leader ability.
Actually her strength in spying is not a big trouble for me. Spies can do a lot of things when they have promotions that gives a 90% success chance. But the espionage strength is certainly an accessory as its comes really late and need alot of investment to work.
The bigger problem lies in France's viability towards a cultural victory, which is the only privileged route under its current civ Uniques.
Lets look at the Civ's uniques one by one:
Civ Unique ability:
One of the issue is the construction of later game wonders. They cost a lot of production, even if CdM has a boost in building them, but they are not providing a lot of tourism.
So France cities are constantly locked into building them. Yet a failure costs you dearly, due to the huge waste of time and production, but the reward is too small compared to it.
Unique unit:
The Grande Imperiale comes in handy for defensive purpose. But, like samurais, they are very expensive to build or to purchase. When cities are constantly locked in constructions, it is just impossible to make enough number of them and France can be easily overwhelmed by aggressive civs. And the defensive design renders a Grande Imperiale rush sth very unlikely to happen.
Unique Improvement:
They provide a decent amount of culture and some tourism, not bad as an improvement alone.
So we are putting wonders here, districts here, farmlands here... wait, this improvement occupies a tile and can only be built adjacent to river and it gets boost when it is adjacent to wonders? Where should I place my national park, and my seaside resort then?
The conditions to maximize benefits from Chateau are quite harsh, moreover it chews up valuable tiles for something else. This makes the land planning of France, where wonders already occupy alot of space, even more embarrassing.
Rounding up the above opinions, the weakness of French comes from
1, the tons of production they need, but yet they lack sufficient hammers
to function well2, difficult tile management
3, everything comes so late but not so powerful
4, on top of all, CdM is good at sth costly but not so useful.
The solution we need is more than an alt leader can solve. Even CdM is gone, the problem is still there.
The late game problem is not really a serious thing. But we should make sure that it is worthy to survive all the hell-like early game. In the current situation, France only struggles through the early game to get into another horrible later game.
I guess France really needs a harder boost in wonder production, cheaper UU and less conditional UI( or more beneficial), in order to get a real improvement.
Or they can revolutionize the whole kit to make things better.
Proper suggestions: (collected ideas from responses to this post)
Spoiler Grand Tour :
Spoiler Chateaux :
Spoiler Grande Imperiale :
Spoiler Catherine di Medici :
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