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How to be a tech whore without trading in MP

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by Malarkey, Mar 24, 2006.

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  1. voek

    voek Prince

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    I am not a MP player, but what I have understand is when you are wonderbuilding like mad your neighbour will show up on your borders with some nice axe stack and run you over.

    Military always seems to be key in mp and your strat seems to make you a easy pick, no?
     
  2. Kiershar

    Kiershar Chieftain

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    Guessing he means island game?

    I doubt its viable. To out-tech people in multiplayer just build cottage on floodplains. Or cottage lots of greens around good food ressources... If you dont have it just send a stream of axes, chariots and spears...

    And if you have the floodplains you send a stream of axes, chariots and spears at your neighbors...

    Regardless the capital with only warriors for army will end up as the third city of some warmonger. Its all about conquering the good city spots.
     
  3. TrailblazingScot

    TrailblazingScot I was kittenOFchaos

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    Like this will work in multiplayer...go for religions first? No worker before you start building wonders? Start anywhere near me and you'd be dead and buried like countless others.

    I'm [GOD]DeviousDevil of the C4players ladder, Marlarky when have you tried it out and with who?

    Online against good opposition the first priorites are choking and avoiding being choked, having an early worker out to link key military resources (having researched primarily archer, bronze, animal husbandry and iron depending on your civ) and either taking someone down or getting a 2nd city. THEN I'd consider a wonder.

    Your strategy is one seen often enough and sometimes these people learn as they die early, or have a civ with a wonder, but only 1 city whilst others have several. What is true is that specialists can be key to boosting tech by adding scientists and the like to your capital which I agree is key to success up until free speech.
     
  4. Atlas

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    :agree:

    If you try that Pyramid/Parthenon thing in a pick up game at Gamespy, your teammates will be screaming at you.
     
  5. Lord Parkin

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    Just flicked through this in the War Academy while I was looking for something else. Sorry to say, I disagree with almost everything in the article.

    Warrior then Settler as first build? No Worker for ages? Building a wonder almost right off the bat? Snatching up all the religions right away?

    Not to sound mean, but seriously - what kind of multiplayer is the OP playing? :lol: This strategy would roast anyone alive in an actual competitive multiplayer environment, playing against people who know anything at all about what they're doing. ;)

    What concerns me the most is how this article has stayed in the War Academy for almost 3 years without much comment (and without being replaced by a better article). At best it's not helpful, and at worst it's misleading newbies to multiplayer into very bad habits. I'm half tempted to write a proper guide myself, but don't have the time right now.

    No offense intended Malarkey, it's just that your guide isn't very helpful for newbies looking to learn tips to compete in a serious multiplayer environment. :)
     
  6. Earthling

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    I assume this guide is meant for that one type of multiplayer: Blazing speed - do whatever you can to freeze up your opponents' game so you can move twice in a row...But wow, excellent catch that something like this is still in the War Academy. I agree it should be removed.
     
  7. Krill

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    Ever heard the term disinformation ;)
     
  8. Lord Parkin

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    Actually it's even worse in those games, since the aim is usually to build-build-build units as fast as you can - I know, I've played (and won) a couple of dozen of them myself.

    Indeed. As a guide for wonder/religion/tech gathering in single player, it might be forgivable. But for a guide claiming:

    ...it's just not acceptable War Academy material, period.

    Thing is, it's not done in a joking way - the OP actually seems to genuinely believe what he's saying will work in competitive multiplayer. Which misleads players who are looking to actually improve their gameplay in multiplayer. :)
     
  9. Cashew

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    Specify in the original post what kind of game variant/map you're playing. There's a huge difference between teamers, free for alls, and ctons. And the map type you're playing is also a huge deal.

    One last point... it's a really hard article to read through due to the way you organized it.
     
  10. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    The OP is quite dated now...
     
  11. Cashew

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    Huh, didn't notice that. Who bumped the thread >.>
     
  12. DaveMcW

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    And you bumped it to the front page to say that?

    :thumbsdown:
     
  13. DMOC

    DMOC Mathematician

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    Although it still doesn't make sense for the original vanilla version.
     
  14. Lord Parkin

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    Yes, I did. (And I didn't just say that, so no need to overreact.)

    Sorry to the purists who like to have every thread filed away once it's passed a certain date, but I feel that if you have a relevant point to make, you should make it - regardless of whether the article is brand new or not. And I did have a very relevant point: this article should not be in the War Academy. This article needs to be replaced or rewritten.

    Please tell me exactly what's wrong with that?

    If it was just a regular strategy post, no problem, I would have ignored it. But as a War Academy article, people are accessing and potentially getting misinformed by this post every day. So I felt something needed to be done.

    Indeed...
     
  15. PieceOfMind

    PieceOfMind Drill IV Defender Retired Moderator

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    Really, this guide is from the early days of Civ4 (relatively early by today's standards). I wouldn't be surprised if "competitive MP" back then was a lot more basic and this strategy probably worked frequently against random newbies. The point is, in competitive MP good players get a lot better and eventually the old strategies get obsoleted.

    It also depends whether we are talking about boxed in type pangaea games where it's unit spam ftw, or something more like island games where having the tech edge could eventually grant you the opportunity to dominate some of the other players.
     
  16. Krill

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    Actually, no, around that time the strats were still choke and rush. Playing like that guys suggests got you killed by turn 40 95% of the time. MP islands games didn't really take off until late 2007.

    Damn, I spent too long playing MP...
     
  17. Kesshi

    Kesshi Emperor

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    The single best piece of advice I've ever been given about multiplayer was in one sentence:

    When the AI will attack you with 5 Axemen, the human player will attack you with 20.

    To me this means "Your 3 Archers on a hill may hold up against the AI's 5 Axemen while you wonder-spam your civ, but this will not fair well against the human player. Be prepared to fight."
     
  18. obsolete

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    SO!!!. Why is it Lord Parkin get's to flag threads for giving out misinformation... and yet any time I so much as HINT anything like this, I end up getting all the forum moderators sending me warnings in PVM?

    How many did you get so far Parkin?
     
  19. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    Not chopping forests unless there are too many..... :(

    Worker only after wonder...... :(

    I think that even the BtS AI would eat him alive .
     
  20. obsolete

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    Hmm, it seems he only posted just over 50 messages on the forum. Pales in comparison to Rolo's 7,222 (and counting)!

    They were in 2006 so looks like either he got bored of the game due to too much mastery, or maybe he ended up getting his behind kicked too many times :p

    Some of his statements can be a little arguable...

    :crazyeye::crazyeye::crazyeye::crazyeye:

    Maybe he can return someday and clarify this for us... :lol:
     
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