How to Make Communism Work(ish)

[Newbunkle]

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communism MUST allow people to have personal opinion. The communism is a socialistic goverment, remember? So, if someone has to complain about something, he should be able to do it easily, and without fear.

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Last but not least is to be sure that people WANT communism. There's no chance making a nation communistic if the nation is like USA. The people's blood must be red to get the communism working.

I agree with these. Does this include allowing a communist country to have a capitalist political party?

 

[WerBackIII]

Have you been to Jamaica? Outside of the tourist traps is really horrible poverty.

I'm not telling that Jamaica is communistic! I'm just showing the simmilarities between skinheads and communism.

 

[JerichoHill]

I'm not telling that Jamaica is communistic! I'm just showing the simmilarities between skinheads and communism.

I dont think that any communist worth his or her salt wants to be compared to a group of skinheads

 

[WhatThe]

Communism has to do two things: It needs to line up culturally, and it needs to transcend human nature and the desire to seize more power.

It is for these reasons I don't believe Communism will work in the United States, as a system that stands alone.

The U.S. has always had representative rule, never a sole ruler. This is why it is easier to implement such a system in countries like Russia, China, and Vietnam. These countries have been under kings, dictators, and emperors nearly their entire spans. Their cultures read well with singular rulers. This is strongly opposed in the U.S., where personal freedoms and "rights" come before the right and freedom to equality of the collective. The individual gets much more attention in America than the proletariat.

Secondly, the system must go beyond human corruption. Corruption has been, and will always be the bane of a truly perfect Communist system.

 

[amadeus]

I thought the calculation problem would always be the bane of the "perfect" communist system.

 

[Behind The Mask]

Holy Crap...

I was so young back then... why bring this back to mock me!

 

[aelf]

The U.S. has always had representative rule, never a sole ruler. This is why it is easier to implement such a system in countries like Russia, China, and Vietnam. These countries have been under kings, dictators, and emperors nearly their entire spans. Their cultures read well with singular rulers. This is strongly opposed in the U.S., where personal freedoms and "rights" come before the right and freedom to equality of the collective. The individual gets much more attention in America than the proletariat.

All that has nothing to do with communism.

 

[Defiant47]

3 years ago, still extremely wise!

 

[warpus]

How to get communism to work? It would probably work under a democracy.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

One thing about Communism working or not.

Its interesting that China's economy has been improving over the past few decades. This has coincided with China being a much more market based society than in the days of Mao.

 

[Ajidica]

Yes, the economy does much better once the country has recovered from a thirty year long civil war.

 

[W|M]

One thing that I'd like to note is that few people listened to Lenin when he said to have a period of socialism before trying to directly making a country communist.

 

[BasketCase]

I believe that Communism can work but that it cannot work as the way it was origionally set. The Ambition of Communism should not be the reaching of a Utopia Society but rather a system of moral and equal achievement.

That's problem number one right there. All men are created equal (actually they're not, but it's harmless to assume they are), but they do not stay equal. As people grow up, they evolve in different directions. Some people will always be more capable than others (at different things), and every attempt to change this will always fail.

I'm speaking from firsthand experience, too. From first grade all the way through my first year in college, I have seen poor students fail. They do study groups, they do tutoring, sometimes they cheat. Some people simply cannot learn the material. And it's impossible to force them. Further, giving such a person a passing grade is a mistake that will harm other members of society--make one of these people a doctor, and what you get is an inept doctor whose operating table will become a deathbed. Make him a CEO, and his company will crash. Make him President and he'll do something colossally stupid like starting two wars at once......

An obvious obstacle is the Centralized System for distributing Wealth... Which doesn't stand well with many and further more raisings resistance from the Greedy, Capitalists, ect. ... I will not pretend to be an expert on this issue, but I believe that a great way to deal with this is to try and create a somewhat more 'bendable' centralized system, perhaps with limited private ownership with somewhat watch from the Government.

Bad idea. Any kind of centralized system has the same problem: the people running that centralized system will become the Ruling Class. Your solution doesn't "take away" the upper class, it merely puts it in different seats.

Is there anyway to make Communism work in any form?

Nope. The problem stems from the previous paragraph. How to take political and economic power away from the elite and put it in the hands of everybody? There's just no way to do it. The American system is pretty much as close as we can get to that ideal, and I think any socialist or communist in here will agree the American system falls way short.

The whole point behind a corporation and a CEO is that you need an industry to be run by a person who is good at running it. Otherwise it fails. Put the political and economic power in the hands of everybody, in equal share, and you've got all the economic machinery being run by people who just don't know how. The doctors should not have any input into how to run the auto industry, the auto industry executives should not be meddling in the running of the farms, and the farmers should not be screwing around in the damn hospitals. When the system is being run by people who don't know how, you end up with no food, crappy health care, and a collapsed auto industry (wow, deja vu there! )

 

[Defiant47]

Holy Crap...

I was so young back then... why bring this back to mock me!

***Responses to posts made by Behind The Mask from years ago***

 

[berkut]

The best that comunism can do is to vanish from the earth! We do need social politics but one based in solid grounds.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

How to Make Communism Work?

The only reason communism fails is military and geopolitical hegemony of capitalist countries, i.e. imperialism.

 

[Ajidica]

And of course the law that any social-political-economic ideology adopted in Russia is doomed to fail.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

And of course the law that any social-political-economic ideology adopted in Russia is doomed to fail.

History shows otherwise.

 

[amadeus]

History shows otherwise.

I humbly suggest you buy a history book published in the last twenty years.

 

[Archbob]

And people continuing advocating Fascism yet you choose to speciffically target communism.

Communism is never Communism. The Original Communism was mostly a theory many have referred to as a 'Perfect Dream' While the 'Communist' Countries that have made their way to power are far from it.

The ideal communism is a fantasy that can't be achieved with humans. Maybe elves.