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How to play Civilization 4 BTS right ?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by citizenofdoom, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. citizenofdoom

    citizenofdoom Chieftain

    Jun 24, 2017
    The First Turn : it's nearly obvious to build worker.
    But after that, what should we do, build,...
    How the game's part was divided ( it's not about era ) tell it in ( from turn x to turn y )
    How will we play in these parts ?
    And when me and other "noob" players can get better in Civ 4, we can explore new things in that game ( due to the serious "out-of-date" of the war acedemy )
    How stragegy like wonderbread, strike-economy, espionage economy can be used ?
    Please, the experienced veteran tell me/us how to and rebuild the war acedemy asap.
  2. Aristos

    Aristos Lightseeker

    Dec 11, 2001
    Deep inside...
    Is it? A case can be built for a scout, another for a warrior...

    Civ 4 is a thinking man's game (hard to say the same for the successors...). So, think. I mean it in the funny way, because the fun in Four comes exactly from there, from thinking. Look around your settler, what do you see? What land? Resources? Possibilities? What are your starting techs as compared to your starting position?

    Etcetcetc... learning to play this masterpiece is as much fun (if not more) as actually playing it (and winning, which you will have to earn... as opposed to its successors, once again...).

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  3. salty mud

    salty mud Ey-up

    Feb 21, 2006
    God's Own County
    I've browsed these forums on and off for 12 years and I've never seen anyone suggest building a scout first. Interested to hear what your reasoning is!
  4. Quoth the Raven

    Quoth the Raven Chieftain

    Jan 8, 2016
    The Frozen Wastelands
    I play with goody huts enabled on Noble, and I often build 2 scouts then a worker if I start with hunting. I will usually get 2-5 huts with those scouts, which usually results in about 100 gold and a free technology. If I do not start with hunting, I build warriors instead.
  5. 6K Man

    6K Man Bureaucrat

    Jul 17, 2007
    in a Gadda Da Vida
    The right way to play is to have fun. What the OP wants is a guide to optimal play, which for most people means “the methods that will lead to success on high levels”. And that is almost always Worker first.
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  6. 2popbulb

    2popbulb Chieftain

    Apr 29, 2018
    I build worker first or workboat if I have seafood and no land food resources. Then warriors until capital grows to size 3,then 2 settlers.
    After that it depends on what kind of victory condition I'm trying to achieve. I play on Prince/no huts,no events.
  7. ArchGhost

    ArchGhost Chieftain

    Aug 2, 2016
    I came into Civ 4 from playing Civ Rev, where goodies huts and killing barb villages are massive sources of rewards that boost your game to the next level. Exploring the map ASAP is also at a premium in that game so you know where to rush or simply block off AIs (non-friendly units can't pass through each other in that game).

    So naturally when I started play Civ 4 (on Noble) I really liked playing with my goodie huts on and loved rolling a Hunting civ for the free scout and maybe a quick 2nd one; Zara was my original favorite for his overall ease of use.

    Civ 4 at the "cheater AI" difficulties is an entirely different beast though. It was slow, but I learned though playing and watching that what scouts offer just is usually not worth it.

    Early gold is less important, and you can generate gold + science at the same time if you want. There are ways to mitigate costs or boost overall commerce to offset not getting a bank of gold early on.

    You can only do so much with map knowledge because the AI just muscles you out of territory with its headstart and production handicaps

    When it (and the barbs) start with several archers there is little you can do to them extremely early anyway other than worker steal or choking -- which a scout can't do. Hunting start even makes this consideration weaker since you'd have to delay a worker to build a warrior to go worker steal, lol. Taking barb cities for rewards gets backburnered until you can field something strong enough or in enough numbers to actually overcome 4 archer defenders. Even then they may be gone (to the AIs) or not worth it, since anything you could use on those barb cities could be used on the actual opponents on the map just as well, for considerably better payoff in weakening a rival.

    The AI's free scouts and barb combat bonus also undermine your ability to even snag anything. They will zoom around and gobble everything up if you leave huts on, while they can actually successfully take barb cities with just their own archers.

    Maybe in some starting scenario where you know you will have a continent to yourself or something, and have a fishing start but no Fishing tech, where you have those free turns to grow before building workboats and no immediate need for a worker -- you might as well crank a scout to try to pick up the few huts on your own continent, it's not like there's much better you can do with that kind of start when you basically just have to wait because of crappy starting techs for the situation. Even this sucks though by having huts on for the AIs it helps them just as much on their own continents, potentially.

    A warrior is just more potentially useful since it can worker steal, act as MP, stop some barb pressure directly instead of just by fogbusting, etc.

    And a worker is usually too valuable to pass up; even in starts where you have to wait on tech for the worker to do stuff, the opportunity cost of having it earlier and ready to go is worth more than waiting on it to build after the tech completes :cringe: especially if it still costs you nothing, which is likely early on.
  8. Darguel

    Darguel Chieftain

    Apr 11, 2018
    I always recommend Sulla's Willem/Dutch youtube playlist. I learned A LOT from it:

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  9. rah

    rah Warlord Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    Thx for posting that, I've always wanted to watch it but never searched for it. You made it easy. It's funny how much things change but still stay the same.

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