How would you change history?
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Vandal Warlord
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You could just complement his art, and he would be an artist. Simple. However, were it not for Hitler (and I despise him for his ideals) I fear Germany would not be able to recover and that there would be a scramble to conquer a weakened Germany, resulting in decades of chaos to come for the nation.
No another Hitler would just come into power and undo what I tried to prevent. So now I got make sure his art sucks too.
Vandal Warlord
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I don't think you understand that there was and only will be ONE Adolf Hitler. And as I stated before, were it not for him, the already collapsing Germany would fall and then be subjugated. Therefore, many of the brilliant German minds from post-WWII would never come.
I will also say this again, I condem everything Adolf Hitler has done. He was an insane lunitic that deserved to die, I only wish I could have killed him myself.
Yes there was only one Hitler but that Hitler stopped Super-Hitler from coming to power.
Example: Without Hitler stopping him Stalin starts a much worst WW2 and genocide (see C&C: Red Alert).
Super-Hitler needs to be a comic book. Like, right now.
I laughed. Seriously.
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He already does. I have also seen Jetpack Hitler, Mind Control Hitler, Cloned Twin Future Hitler, Unfrozen Hitler, and quite a few other Hitlers in comics.
Awesome.
Hey, Hitler had an entire regular strip devoted to himself (and Goering) in the Dandy. Although he wasn't very super.
Vandal Warlord
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And what do you base that off of?
Stalin was no stupid man and he was sane enough to know that he could not take on the entire world as Hitler thought he could. Besides, without WW2, I think it would have taken the Russians a little longer to develope their own nuclear warhead.
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And people wonder why I read comics.
Something that prevents the Dark Ages. Don't know specifically but maybe something that hinders Rome from becoming too big, or something that stops the Catholic Church from becoming an institution that governs Europe. Or maybe something that prevented islamic theocracies from becoming the twisted fanatical authoritarianism that it has been, instead of the centers of education and science of old.
Oh boy. Here we go again.
A quick reminder: (a) the Catholic Church has never governed Europe, however much certain of its prelates may have wished to; (b) the Catholic Church did not cause the "Dark Ages" - on the contrary, it was one of the main things that prevented them being so Dark; (c) "Dark Ages" is an outmoded, pejorative, and inaccurate term, as you can see from the current thread on the topic.
Honestly, the very letters we are using to discuss this are based on those invented in the "Dark Ages". By Catholics.
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I'm starting to wonder if we're approaching a real "Dark Age" because high school history classes are inept at making it clear that the alleged "Dark Ages" were vast improvements upon the Roman Empire.
No the roman empire is not the cause directly. BUT the organized christianity, or the Catholic Church with it's seat in Rome is a big cause to the slowing of scientific progress, which was the part of the Dark Ages.
Without the Crusades we could have had a culturally and spiritually diverse Europe where the concepts of democracy could have overthrown monarchies much earlier and the trade of knowledge between europe, middle east, africa and asia could have been greater.
Another example, sure Christianity calmed us scandinavians down in a way, and eventually we stopped our raids on europe
- but what was it we traded for really? We traded elected kings to a hereditary rule that ruled with the power of god, with blessing from the pope. Basically, the governing powers had to be aligned with the church or they would be banished. And the righteous successor to a king were their offspring or relatives.
Without the Crusades we could have had a culturally and spiritually diverse Europe where the concepts of democracy could have overthrown monarchies much earlier and the trade of knowledge between europe, middle east, africa and asia could have been greater.
Another example, sure Christianity calmed us scandinavians down in a way, and eventually we stopped our raids on europe
- but what was it we traded for really? We traded elected kings to a hereditary rule that ruled with the power of god, with blessing from the pope. Basically, the governing powers had to be aligned with the church or they would be banished. And the righteous successor to a king were their offspring or relatives.LightSpectra
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Aside from the fact that scientific progress and education were multiplied during the alleged "Dark Ages" and that the Catholic Church were their primary sponsors, you have yet to prove that there was a Dark Age whatsoever.
I had to blink twice to make sure I was reading this right. The Crusades were started as a response to Arabic expansionism. Where do you get this ridiculous idea that the Arabs had some sort of advanced republican government that was quashed as a result of the Crusades? What makes you think that the Middle East and North Africans would've been delighted to share all the secrets of China and India had it not been for the Crusades? What makes you think that the Muslim parts of Asia were on such great terms with everything east of Iran to begin with?
Grey Fox, the Crusades occurred well after the end of the "Dark Ages". They occurred in the high Middle Ages, the Renaissance, and the early modern period. If you think that the Crusades caused the Dark Ages then you've got history back to front.
Neither Christianity in general nor the Catholic Church in particular caused a slowing down of scientific progress in the "Dark Ages". If there was any such slowing - and I'm not convinced that there was - it had nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with the changing political and economic climate. If the church hadn't been there to educate people, preserve ancient learning in monastic libraries, and continue the writing of bad Latin poetry, things would have been a whole lot worse.
Neither Christianity in general nor the Catholic Church in particular caused a slowing down of scientific progress in the "Dark Ages". If there was any such slowing - and I'm not convinced that there was - it had nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with the changing political and economic climate. If the church hadn't been there to educate people, preserve ancient learning in monastic libraries, and continue the writing of bad Latin poetry, things would have been a whole lot worse.
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