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How would you order the Civ 5 civilizations in their historical importance order?

Discussion in 'World History' started by Genghis Khaiser, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. Genghis Khaiser

    Genghis Khaiser Prince

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    How would you order the Civ 5 civilizations in their historical importance order?
    This is my list, putting on the top the civs that I think are more essential to world history and in the bottom the ones I think are less worthy or are more suited to be expansion/DLC-only civs:
    1. Greece. The birthplace of the Western civilization, how can we ignore them?
    2. Rome. The second most important in the history of the Western civilization, or maybe the first.
    3. United States. Do I need to say anything?
    4. England/Great Britain. As I once heard in History Channel, nowadays every country and culture has been influenced in one way or another by the British vision and imagination.
    5. France. Throughout its history, it has been England/UK's rival, and they got a "cultural victory" in the 17th and 18th centuries, as somebody said in a post.
    6. Germany. A modern industrial worldpower, and the birthplace of many musicians, scientists, and thinkers.
    7. Egypt. The location of two of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, and Ancient Egypt having a lot to inspire and to be talked about (Pharaohs, mummies, tombs, etc).
    8. China. Everybody owns something that says "Made in China" on it. China has invented many revolutionary things, like gunpowder and paper.
    9. Japan. Known for the Samurais and the Bushido in its past, and its technological relevance in its present and future.
    10. Arabia. The birthplace of Islam, and we owe them many advances in science, mainly mathematics.
    11. India. A large country, with one of the most diverse cultures in the world, and a former and soon-to-be worldpower.
    12. Russia. The largest country in the world, and one of the two most important nations in the XX century.
    13. Mongolia. Although today they are not a very important country, in the XIII century they made history's largest contiguous empire, allowing trade routes to be made between East and West, influencing each other's cultures.
    14. Spain. From the XVI to the XIX centuries, they created one of the largest empires ever. That empire being the main reason of why Spanish is one of the most spoken languages and Roman Catholicism is one of the most practiced religions in the world.
    15. Portugal. By some reason, they are never in a vanilla Civ game, they are always added in an expansion, but they had, like Spain, a large colonial and trade empire.
    16. Netherlands. Same as Portugal.
    17. Persia. One of the largest empires of the ancient world, and Rome's and later Byzantium's mortal enemy.
    18. Babylon. They are one of the earliest civilizations in the world, and everybody has heard about the Hanging Gardens or Hammurabi's Code of Laws. If Sumeria ("the Cradle of Civilization") was in this game, it would be one or two places above Babylon.

    19. Assyria. They, like Babylon, were a large and important Mesopotamian empire. If they were better known, they would be in a tie with Babylon.
    20. Ottomans/Turkey. Being the Turks the second Muslim civ par excellence behind Arabia, they traumatized the Western culture by conquering Constantinople in 1453, they had a vast empire for six centuries. Also, their empire was one of the reasons behind the Age of Discovery.
    21. Brazil. Cristo Redentor, the Carnival, an emerging worldpower, one of the largest and most populated countries in the world. Nuff' said.
    22. Maya. Remember 2012, when everybody drove crazy because of a misconception that the Mayans had predicted the end of the world? Besides that, they still live nowadays, although they are not as awesome at science, technology, and architecture as they were. "The Greeks of the New World" as they are called, and I am a Mexican but I think they were cooler than the Aztecs.
    23. Incan. The largest, most important and best-known South American ancient civilization, although not so ancient when compared to the Tiwanaku, Moche, Chimu, Nazca, etc, and they had a large empire and engineering wonders in the mountains that scientists cannot explain to this day. Incan roots and the Quechua language largely survive to this day, mainly in Peru and Bolivia.
    24. Korea. North Korea is one of the world's military powers, while South Korea is one of the world's economic powers (Samsung, Gangnam Style and K-Pop anyone).
    25. Danish/Vikings. The Viking raids are a key element in the medieval history of northern Europe.
    26. Sweden. Alfred Nobel, Anders Celsius, the Nobel Prize, IKEA, ABBA, a military power during the XVII century, and one of the most developed countries in the modern world.
    27. Austria. Austria is famous because of the great musicians that were from there, like Mozart. Also, it encompassed one of the most diverse empires in the XIX and XX centuries.
    28. Celts. Millions of people in Western Europe, the British Islands and Anglo-Saxon countries can say they have Celt roots. Besides, I'm sure everyone has heard of the Stonehenge and Halloween.

    29. Byzantium. The heirs and succesors of the Roman Empire, although pretty much the entire Western civilization is heir and succesor of the Roman culture. Byzantium managed to outlive Rome for around a thousand years.
    30. Ethiope. The first Christian kingdom, and they remained independent during the European imperialism in Africa.
    31. Carthage. They rivalized Rome during its rise.
    32. Indonesia. Historically a diverse country and a trade power, and one of the largest and most populated countries in the world.
    33. Aztecs. Although I am a proud Mexican, I think they deserve to be way lower than the Mayans in the list. They were one of many Mesoamerican empires, and even though they were larger and like them they had their religious, cultural and architectural wonders, they are in the game mainly for two reasons: first, because they are the best-known Mesoamerican tribe, and second, because they were the dominant empire when the Spaniards arrived. (I predict that putting the Aztecs so low in the list is going to be my most controversial decision here)
    34. Polynesia. We do not hear about them in history books very often, although everynody has heard about Hawaii, New Zealand and Rapa Nui.
    35. Morocco. An unexpected choice for a civ, although in its history Morocco has had cultural and economic ties with the Western world.
    36. Poland. Not much can I say about Poland, besides them being a key player in the fall of Communism, a bunch of famous people coming from there (John Paul II, Frederick Chopin, Marie Curie)
    37. Siam. Not very important to the international theatre. Awesome architecture and a lot of history though. If the Khmer and Vietnamese were in this game, they would have a tie with Siam.

    38. Venice. I do not deny the economic world power they were during the Middle Ages and up to the Napoleonic era, but an Italian civ could be a better representative.
    39. Songhai. One of many important economic powers in Westen Africa, along Ghana, and Mali, but they were a short-lived empire, and it would be some places above if all those three were represented by one civilization, like Mandinka.
    40. Zulu. Although the most recurrent representatives of Sub-Saharan Africa in the Civilization series and one of the most important tribes in South Africa, somebody said Venice is more worthy of inclusion than them, and it is because the
    41. Iroquois. There are MANY City-States that if promoted to a civilization in an expansion, they would be in a higher place than the Iroquois. They are a good precursor of modern republics though.
    42. Shoshone. Although an interesting civ to play with, they are there because they could not get the Pueblo in.
    43. Huns. They were not a civilization, and everybody knows they are there because of their role in the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
     
  2. lokithepunishr

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    Probably #1 in my mind, very relevant in much of history (wonders, religions, etc) and also the most popular civilization in terms of history books. Maybe not as influential as the Greeks or Romans but certainly they have more written about them and people have spent more time studying them, if nothing else that justifies a position higher than what you gave them, above US, England, France, Germany in about 90% of people's minds I reckon.

    A country that spent most of it's history being the <snip> of Japan and China doesn't deserve a place in a game called "Civilization". "Gangnam Style" is less relevant in history than Bohemian Rhapsody (or insert any previously famous song that lasted longer than 2 months) so that hardly justifies anything. But if I had to give it a number it would be #43

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  3. Walter R

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    1. England
    2. The others

    Sorry, that WAS a joke, just getting into Liz character! :D

    Some immediate thoughts:
    France at 5...well above Spain and Portugal? Above China? Seriously?
    Arabia only at 10? Below Germany?
    Persia way down at 17?
    Think I'd change these around a bit for starters. I guess maybe your criterion is a bit subjective?

    Oh, and I can't read the yellow text! :scan:
     
  4. seanflokstra7

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    1. Rome: Really important for the history of mankind and technology, Greece could also be at number 1
    2. Greece: Basically the ancestor of the west
    3. England: Nowadays England isn't too big, but historically it's one of the most important countries in the world
    4. USA: I don't have to say much. It would be above England, but it's not that old, and the people of the USA are English most of the time
    5. France
    6. China
    7. Germany
    8. Russia
    9. India
    10. Spain
    11. Egypt
    12. Netherlands
    13. Babylon
    14. Japan
    15. Portugal
    16. Mongolia
    17. Ottomans
    18. Persia
    19. Carthage
    20. Denmark
    21. Sweden
    22. Maya
    23. Austria
    24. Siam
    25. Arabia
    26. Assyria
    27. Brazil
    28. Inca
    29. Aztecs
    30. Celts
    31. Korea
    32. Byzantium
    33. Huns
    34. Ethiopia
    35. Morocco
    36. Poland
    37. Iroquois
    38. Indonesia
    39. Zulu
    40. Songhai
    41. Polynesia
    42. Venice
    43. Shoshone

    I'm missing a civ, can anyone tell me who? I don't know myself
     
  5. Adjuvant

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    I think you put alot of thought into this and it's a good list. The only criticism I have, which may not be so much criticism but an observation, is that "history is told by the successor",that is to say, "you feel this way because of the nature of what you see today".

    I think Danes, Persia, Spain, Carthage (Phoenician), Poland and Byzantium should be "higher" on the list. My opinions of others which should be "lower" would probably start an argument.

    edit: For example, people are putting Danes well below Russia, France and England. Russia (Rus) was founded by "Vikings". Viking influence almost dominated 9th and 10th century England, and it didn't stop there because Normandy (Most of France at one time) were Viking descendants, living on capitulated land so they'd stop attacking Paris, who subsequently conquered England in 1066 and kept it for hundreds of years.
     
  6. direblade99

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    Do you mind changing some of the text colours? It's basically unreadable to me unless I highlight it.
     
  7. direblade99

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    To be honest I don't feel like the USA deserves number 4. It's certainly very important today, but it's only been important for the last hundred years and is the result of French, British and Spanish settlement (and mismanagement). I would say that the countries that made the more important countries are logically more historically important due to the events that happened down the line.
     
  8. Sid Simelia

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    Yeah, especially the yellow, I couldn't read it either.
     
  9. Ravellion

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    1) China. For 5500 of the last 6000 years, this was the largest, most populous, most technologically advanced and most stable country on earth. It dominated Asian civilization and influenced western civilization more than vice versa
    2) Rome. The languages, architecture and laws of western civilizatian, but most importantly, the size and stability of the Roman empire stimulated Christianity to spread - and that's a big one.
    3) England. The colonial empire influenced the world and the industrial revolution started there. In what language are we having this discussion?
    4) Greece. Hellenic culture and Philosophy shaped the near east and Mediterranean. The first western alphabet is a major thing. Greece also influenced Rome a lot, see above. Overall though, its influence was more subtle than Rome's and England's.
    5) Mongolia. Destroying so much (the Arabs would probably be on a higher position if the Mongols hadn't destroyed Baghdad), they also made the Asian nations focus their attention on their hinterlands for generations after. This allowed the western nations to colonize a lot of Asia's coastline through maritime power.
    6) Arabia. Islam, preserving the classics.
    7) The Ottomans. The Ottoman/European conflict shaped both the Middle East and Europe.
    8) Spain. Shaped south America and had a major influence in the religious conflict in Europe.

    The rest IMO are too recent or minor to say anything about. The US seems important now, but they might be a short historical blip, like the Netherlands, or their influence might not last (like Carthage). We should be able to see in about 400 years time how important they really were. Egypt, however interesting, did little to advance humanity technologically as a whole. It's culture also did not spread far.
     
  10. Adjuvant

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    This is an example of where Carthage is slighted. Carthage was established as a Phoenician colony, and Greek letters are "phonetic".
     
  11. Sid Simelia

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    I could argue America should be higher, though it would probably be biased because I am from the states. Still, American culture dominated the 20th century and for better or worse, our celebrities are some of the most well known people throughout the world.
    From my perspective China is a true global super power right now, that combined with being the oldest and historically one of the most technologically advanced civs, I would rank China first and it's not even close for me.
     
  12. Bagi

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    Going through them all feels like an impossible task, so I'm just gonna do my top 5 in no particular order...

    Rome, Greece, England, China, Mongolia.
     
  13. direblade99

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    American culture is basically British culture taken up to 11. And sure, you folks have dominated one century of human history, the Brits dominated like 3, as did spain, the Roman empire had 1000 years up their belts, the mongolians had a bit longer and established control and dominance over a significantly larger area. The various Chinese dynasties have had immense power for longer periods of time, the Greeks invented democracy, the french reinvented it (get out of here America) and Russia has always been a massive power since about the 1600's. This is not to mention the suprisingly powerful influence exerted by the Byzantine empire and the Portugese.

    It's too soon to tell whether in the future America will be considered a big deal at all, and even from the point of view of today I would grade them significantly lower than some of the others on the list.
     
  14. Bagi

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    You had me checking through every civ until I realized you had Poland and Morocco both as 35. :lol:
     
  15. Sid Simelia

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    I don't want to derail this thread but we will have to agree to disagree on this statement. Most Americans don't identify with English culture in any way. If anything, we prided ourselves on being opposite of English culture, hence that whole revolutionary war fiasco.
    The rest of your points are totally valid though, but since we are in the information age now, I think it is highly unlikely any established culture would be wiped out and forgotten as happened to many of the greats long ago.
    Every Civ appropriates social policies and technologies from those that have came before, that is not just unique to America. I would rank Greece highly, for example, because of the people, culture and buildings, not so much because they were the first to implement democracy.
     
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    Lol, I think the English hated taxes just as much as Americans.
     
  17. Adjuvant

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    And British culture is, more than you might care to admit, an amalgamation of Old Norse (Dane), French (Norman, Dane), and Germanic (various itineration of Celt). The "saving grace", surprisingly, was a catastrophic plague in the mid 14th century which killed off, by and large, the greater percentage of educated folks and nobility, opening the door for common, rural, simpler people to take prominence.
     
  18. Walter R

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    That's true - for instance they have a totally different language; and although some words almost look like English they have a completely different meaning!

    Happy Christmas to my cousins across the pond!:)
     
  19. redwings1340

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    I would definitely put China at #1. Right now the most influential cultures on the world are western ones, or at least I feel that way because I live in the United States, but over history that hasn't been the case, and probably will not always be the case. We have a European bias, but China has been around for so long and done so many things I'm pretty sure it's a clear #1.

    If we're talking about right now, then the United States is probably the #1 influence in the world, but if you take any point in history in the past 3000-4000 years and run this equation, China is probably in the top 3 for whatever time you choose. It's hard to argue against that kind of stability and influence in world affairs.
     
  20. Beaver79

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    At first I thought he had the US too high as well, but the last 100 years of civilization have been more important than the previous 2000. The US put someone on the moon, landed a robot on Mars and invented the nuclear bomb. The US has roughly twice the GDP as the next highest nation, China, and has a far better military.

    I think you have Mongolia too low though. In the 1200 it's estimated that there were 360 million people. The mongols killed 40 million and raped and impregnated many more. They took over both China and Russia, severely crippled the Arabians and were oh so close to conquering all of Europe. They had just decimated the Hungarian army and were on a mission to conquer everything to the Atlantic Ocean when Genghis Khan died. If he hadn't they would have. That let Europe get ahead of the Muslims and China at a time they were probably third.
     

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