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How would you order the Civ 5 civilizations in their historical importance order?

Discussion in 'World History' started by Genghis Khaiser, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. Masada

    Masada Koi-san!

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    I like how this thread has degenerated into a Pole talking to himself.
     
  2. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    Now better.
     
  3. daft

    daft The fargone

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    It's quite impossible to rank civ5's tribes for sure.
    Regarding China again. It was mighty in Ancient Era under a few dynasties but also not a single nation but a group of kingdoms ofter viciously at war with each other. It's importance in the world scale was mostly limited to the Orient(Far East Asia), unlike Rome which ruled a large part of Europe, parts of Middle Eastern Asia and the shores of north Africa. In the middle ages for a long time China was ruled by the Mongols, was reborn as a great empire in the Renaissance under the Mings but became a non factor in the Industrial Era. In the early part of the Modern Era it was partially controlled by Japan only to rise again as a world power during the last quarter of century.
     
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    Canucks? You meant Maple Leafs of course!
     
  5. daft

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    Forgot about Sarmatians I think, didn't they reside in parts of modern day Poland? The coolest Slavic tribe ware the pagan Veleti(Wieleci?). They worsipped a 3 headed dragon as their main deity and were very warlike. Lived in the modern day North-East Germany, some believe that Berlin is the name of their town before the Germans conquered it and wiped them off the world's map.
     
  6. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    The western border of region called "Sarmatia" was along the Vistula River - in the middle of Poland. But it does not mean, that Sarmatians resided so far to the west. Those regions and their names were arbitrarily defined by Greek and Roman historians, rather than having anything to do with reality. And the same applies to "Germania" - which bordered "Sarmatia" along the Vistula River (to the west of Vistula everything was "Germania", to the east of Vistula everything was "Sarmatia"). It does not mean, however, that entire continental Barbaricum (i.e. all of Europe outside of the Roman Empire) was inhabited only by Sarmatians and Germanians.
     
  7. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Silly furry

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    Reminds me of this song
     
  8. Lohrenswald

    Lohrenswald 老仁森林

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    Vikings #1
     
  9. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    Vikings were a civilization? Then Cossacks were one as well. :p
     
  10. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Harald III was a civilization. Anything with so many nomismata has to be.
     
  11. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    That seems like a contradiction in terms.
     
  12. schlaufuchs

    schlaufuchs La Femme Moderne

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    That's your first problem
     
  13. Tahuti

    Tahuti Writing Deity

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    What? I thought it was so obvious that it went without saying.


    Link to video.

    Goes without saying, but still worth it I guess.
     
  14. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    Medieval Poland had its first university before Germany established its first university.

    The Prague University (in the Kingdom of Czechia / Bohemia - which formally was within the boundaries of the HRE) was founded before the first university in Poland. But the first university in the Kingdom of Germany itself was founded later than the first university in Poland.

    The University of Cracow (founded in year 1364 by King Casimir III the Great in Cracow - the capital city of Poland at that time) was - together with the University of Prague - among the best universities of Europe, or at least of Central-Eastern Europe. How popular abroad this university was, is proven by fact, that during the 15th and the early 16th centuries only about 50% of all students of the Cracow University were students from the Kingdom of Poland, while around 50% of them were foreigners - including Hungarians, Slovaks, Czechs, Croats, Germans, Poles from Silesia, Swiss people and other groups.

    People from Silesia alone (both ethnic Polish and ethnic German) were even up to 15% of all students in period 1400 - 1525.

    Also the Prague University was pretty international. In the 15th century students of the Prague University were divided into 4 "Nationes" - those were "natio Bavarorum" (Bavarian), "Saxorum" (Saxon), "Polonorum" (Polish) and "Bohemorum" (Bohemian). The "Polish Nation" included students from the Kingdom of Poland, but also from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, from Prussia, from Silesia, from Lusatia, eastern Thuringia and from eastern Saxony.

    The University of Leipzig also divided its students into 4 "Nationes" - "natio Misniensium", "Saxorum", "Bavarorum" and "Polonorum".

    During the 15th century, the Cracow University had around 2000 students annually.

    Here is a reconstruction of the 15th century look of the Cracow University:

    http://www.starykrakow.com.pl/dawny-uniwersytet/akademia_krakowska.htm



    And here is how 15th century dorms in Cracow looked like:

    Bursa Ubogich = Dorm of The Poor (founded in 1409 by Jan Isner, renovated and expanded in 1462 by Jan Długosz):



    Bursa Jeruzalem = Dorm of Oleśnicki / Dorm Jeruzalem (founded in 1453 by Zbigniew Oleśnicki):



    Bursa Długosza = Dorm of Długosz (founded in 1471 by Jan Długosz; demolished in 1840) - picture is from the 18th century:



    There was an established custom among the students of the Cracow University that in each academic year during one week - between 15 and 22 October - students from Cracow were playing truant and having grand parties. They were also taking power over the university, and after that they were electing a student king and his royal court. Then they were going out on the town and taking power over the city during those few days.

    "Breve regnum" - a 15th century song of Cracow's students, which tells the story of their "short reign" taking place each year in October:

    Below "Breve regnum" performed by a modern Ukrainian band Kings & Beggars:

    http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breve_regnum_erigitur

    http://www.kings-and-beggars.com.ua/main.htm


    Link to video.

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    Some websites about the early years of the Cracow University (in Polish):

    http://www.polonia-viva.eu/index.ph...egorised/288-akademia-krakowska-lata-wietnoci

    http://www.polonia-viva.eu/index.ph...tecie-krakowskim-w-xv-wieku-szkic-historyczny

    The list of university presidents of the Cracow University since year 1400 until today:

    http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rektorzy_Uniwersytetu_Jagiellońskiego#1400_-_1499
     
  15. Phrossack

    Phrossack Armored Fish and Armored Men

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    Domen, don't you already have your own thread dedicated to your pet country? Do you really have to derail every discussion you participate in to post walls of text nobody wants to read with links in a language few CFCers even can read to discuss your obsession?
     
  16. Antilogic

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    You'd think the separate thread would be enough...
     
  17. Domen

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    I just did not want a complete Apartheid. :)
     
  18. Phrossack

    Phrossack Armored Fish and Armored Men

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    There's a difference between Apartheid and a quarantine.
     
  19. GoodGame

    GoodGame Red, White, & Blue, baby!

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    I think the above the list is pretty sound. Just wanted to add that if the US wasn't influential in its time, several civ players would risked being short-lived blips under Germany or Russia.

    The problem with the (un-modded) Civ games is they are always trying to appeal to audiences, which includes recognizing modern nations alongside more ancient ones leading to ahistorical juxtapositions. Comparing the contributions of ancient/classical Middle-eastern city-states with those of modern nations is comparing apples to oranges.
     
  20. Bulldog Bats

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    GG - you pointed out the two reasons such a comparison cannot be objectively made:

    1. How do you compare the US, who, while having been around for less time than some of the dust on the buildings in Europe, have been the most all-around influencial country for the last century, for good or bad. Most of the classic civs have not been major players since long before that.

    2. Personal biases are there, and the developers have to play to it. They are in it to make money - if they could not make money, they wouldn't make the game. Fact is, the vast majority of the people out there are not historical scholars (such is why the History Channel exists in the form it does, and public television is where IT is - not that it is that much better).
     

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