bobgote
Trousers
yup.Jeratain said:
yup.
HTML Editors
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NOTEPAD.
The dedicated editors don't support all tags, hide many features in menus, and actually insert poorly written scripts (designed to confuse so you become dependent on the program).
You are better off learning the language. All you need is NOTEPAD, save the file as *.html and refresh in your Web Browser to preview.
When you get stuck, post it on the boards and I promise you will get a professional solution. If you want something to read, check out the Web Development in the library at http://msdn.microsoft.com but view it with MSIE because Microsoft nobbled FireFox on that site
After 6~12 months, you will be better than Dreamweaver on HTML, JavaScript, and some other languages.
I have written entire applications in NOTEPAD, though I do use another editor called CREdit. I use it mostly for PERL and PASCAL, but it supports syntax highlighting for HTML (and every other language - even the likes of FORTRAN and COBOL
) aswell.
The dedicated editors don't support all tags, hide many features in menus, and actually insert poorly written scripts (designed to confuse so you become dependent on the program).
You are better off learning the language. All you need is NOTEPAD, save the file as *.html and refresh in your Web Browser to preview.
When you get stuck, post it on the boards and I promise you will get a professional solution. If you want something to read, check out the Web Development in the library at http://msdn.microsoft.com but view it with MSIE because Microsoft nobbled FireFox on that site
After 6~12 months, you will be better than Dreamweaver on HTML, JavaScript, and some other languages.
I have written entire applications in NOTEPAD, though I do use another editor called CREdit. I use it mostly for PERL and PASCAL, but it supports syntax highlighting for HTML (and every other language - even the likes of FORTRAN and COBOL
) aswell.A note on FrontPage: It supports web bots which is a server-side scripting language similar to Apache SSI.
If the web server supports these FrontPage Extensions, you can use Web Bots to add SEARCH and COUNT, etc. to your website as native content.
FrontPage extensions are common because, I have heard, Microsoft actually subsidises webhosts that support them - and gets the money back from the sale of FrontPage. For this reason, with a FREE webhost, FrontPage Extensions might be your only server-side language. This is an example of Microsoft attempting to achieve another "Lock In".
FrontPage Express is the free version of Microsoft's editor supporting fewer tags, and although discontinued for some years, it can still be found floating around on the web.
You can add Web Bots to a HTML file using any editor, but the code is somewhat cryptic and difficult to write. That code appears to include some kind of checksum to prevent people adding it without FrontPage or FrontPage Express. It is normally more effort than it's worth, to try working around Microsoft's checksum.
The next most common language, only occationally supported by FREE hosts, is Apache SSI. All the other server-side languages such as PHP, CGI, PERL, JSP, ASP, etc. generally require a more expensive hosting plan, but they are more empowering so it's apples and oranges really.
Hope that didn't confuse you.
If the web server supports these FrontPage Extensions, you can use Web Bots to add SEARCH and COUNT, etc. to your website as native content.
FrontPage extensions are common because, I have heard, Microsoft actually subsidises webhosts that support them - and gets the money back from the sale of FrontPage. For this reason, with a FREE webhost, FrontPage Extensions might be your only server-side language. This is an example of Microsoft attempting to achieve another "Lock In".
FrontPage Express is the free version of Microsoft's editor supporting fewer tags, and although discontinued for some years, it can still be found floating around on the web.
You can add Web Bots to a HTML file using any editor, but the code is somewhat cryptic and difficult to write. That code appears to include some kind of checksum to prevent people adding it without FrontPage or FrontPage Express. It is normally more effort than it's worth, to try working around Microsoft's checksum.
The next most common language, only occationally supported by FREE hosts, is Apache SSI. All the other server-side languages such as PHP, CGI, PERL, JSP, ASP, etc. generally require a more expensive hosting plan, but they are more empowering so it's apples and oranges really.
Hope that didn't confuse you.
Sanaz
Gorilla Joe
I like Netscape Composer and Arachnophilia. I prefer the old non-Java version:
http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/index_old.html
The new version is also OK, but I've never gotten used to it.
http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/index_old.html
The new version is also OK, but I've never gotten used to it.
hbdragon88
haunted by blackness
No. NOT NOTEPAD. Notepad does not support syntax highlighting or line numbers. Syntax highlighting is very important - if you accidentally forget to properly make a tag (such as leave it open like <p> or <p class="wahtever">) it will show. If you're validating your page and it shows an error on so-and-so line, it's going to b a nightmare to find the exact line.
t92300
Yip Thats Me
Have not tried it yet but you could try NVU from www.NVU.com.
Looks interesting, going to download in a few minutes
Looks interesting, going to download in a few minutes
GrandAdmiral
Deity
Macromedia the makers of Dreamweaver acquired a an app called Homesite which is much better at working with your html code or scripts then dreamweaver, frontpage or golive. For some reason it comes bundled with dreamweaver. Homesite focuses more and hand coding and can be used as a good learning tool. You could use notepad but you wouldn't be able to validate your code within the same application.
Crimson Editor. http://www.crimsoneditor.com
Free and its development team is actively improving it.
Free and its development team is actively improving it.
Netscape has it's own editor (a more simplistic one). I think there's a light version of the Frontpage editor somewhere (FrontPage Express - Microsoft's answer to Netscape).
Frontpage is good for simple sites. If you're making a larger site, and you're using Frontpage, just be careful on what Frontpage does to your HTML code. It has a tendency to mess things up big time, and add excess code.
Dreamweaver is really nice though, and doesn't use depreciated tags (like <font>...</font>) like FP does. (It creates its' own style sheet automatically).
If you're making a HUGE page with a similar navigational system (like CFC's main page), then you need a portal/content management system. Typo3 is a free one, and you can other stuff like phpmyAdmin, phpnuke to go along with your php stuff. Granted, this is much more advanced stuff than your simple webpage. (i.e., a large set of pages and a forum -- which I think I'm gonna be setting up at work, too -- gee, does this mean I'll get paid to be a forum admin? - Not to mention porting all of the MS Access stuff to ASP...
).
Frontpage is good for simple sites. If you're making a larger site, and you're using Frontpage, just be careful on what Frontpage does to your HTML code. It has a tendency to mess things up big time, and add excess code.
Dreamweaver is really nice though, and doesn't use depreciated tags (like <font>...</font>) like FP does. (It creates its' own style sheet automatically).
If you're making a HUGE page with a similar navigational system (like CFC's main page), then you need a portal/content management system. Typo3 is a free one, and you can other stuff like phpmyAdmin, phpnuke to go along with your php stuff. Granted, this is much more advanced stuff than your simple webpage. (i.e., a large set of pages and a forum -- which I think I'm gonna be setting up at work, too -- gee, does this mean I'll get paid to be a forum admin? - Not to mention porting all of the MS Access stuff to ASP...
).Well....I may forgo the HTML editor. I've been using a couple of them, and aside from using the 'quick view' options, I haven't really been hip on them. CrimsonEditor does have a nice feature I noticed, in color coding the various parts of it. I'm sure others do to, but i was playing with CE earlier and just happened to notice it.
Now, onto my next question... What good books/references/tutorials are there out there? I've been hitting a couple of websites, but I find that websites are great for things like message boards...but a bound reference helps me a lot. Got some initial help from some gizmo dude (like the flintstones guy) and another html4newbies site. That was good basic stuff, but I've moved on to www.htmlhelp.com. Mostly because the were one of the top results from google. Anyways, I'd rather have a book on my desktop. Any suggestions?
Eventually, what I'd like to do is get a website set up for when my daughter is born. So I've been someone inspired to do this. I've choosen a site that doesn't build it for me, because I'd like to do it myself. That way, it can look how I want. It'll probably end up being more of a family pic site, so it will go multi page. But I don't know how big. A good way to get my feet wet, I think.
Now, onto my next question... What good books/references/tutorials are there out there? I've been hitting a couple of websites, but I find that websites are great for things like message boards...but a bound reference helps me a lot. Got some initial help from some gizmo dude (like the flintstones guy) and another html4newbies site. That was good basic stuff, but I've moved on to www.htmlhelp.com. Mostly because the were one of the top results from google. Anyways, I'd rather have a book on my desktop. Any suggestions?
Eventually, what I'd like to do is get a website set up for when my daughter is born. So I've been someone inspired to do this. I've choosen a site that doesn't build it for me, because I'd like to do it myself. That way, it can look how I want. It'll probably end up being more of a family pic site, so it will go multi page. But I don't know how big. A good way to get my feet wet, I think.
http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/index.shtml <-- An ok site, some good stuff.
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Style and http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/ <-- both good sites by W3.org.
And, of course, W3School's page: http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_www.asp . Hope this helps turner, have fun!!
@Chieftess: Now that's a job that sounds fun.
edit: I used FrontPage to create a site, not knowing that when it makes a "textbox", that code is not standard, and can only be used to view in MSIE. What a waste that was (though the sites still up). Currently I use notepad most of the time if I need to.
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Style and http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/ <-- both good sites by W3.org.
And, of course, W3School's page: http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_www.asp . Hope this helps turner, have fun!!
@Chieftess: Now that's a job that sounds fun.
edit: I used FrontPage to create a site, not knowing that when it makes a "textbox", that code is not standard, and can only be used to view in MSIE. What a waste that was (though the sites still up). Currently I use notepad most of the time if I need to.
Cilpot
Pretentious Schmuck
I really recomend www.w3schools.com for toturials. 
Ginger_Ale said:
Quentin said:
Cilpot said:I really recomend www.w3schools.com for toturials.
Excellent!
Been looking at these sites, and they've been helping.
Sanaz
Gorilla Joe
I also highly recommend stealing parts of pages that you like. I like mixing my own code, code from different editors, and things I can swipe from other sites. I don't use any scripting, so it's pretty easy for me.Turner_727 said:
So long as you don't steal all the code, because that's a really cheap thing to do without giving the author of the code/site credit.Sanaz said:
If you ever need ideas for a design, turn to Open Source Web Design for free ideas.
bobgote
Trousers
true that!Jeratain said:
i mean if you just want to see how to format a table or something simple and generic it's ok, but swiping something original without due credit is just nasty.
Well, I've peeked at code to see how websites are structured, and done some "How'd they do that?"
I want to make sure I understand, so please bear with me.
If I were to extract images from a website and put it on my website, that would be a copyright violation, right? Unless I get permission from the orginating site. But what if I create a website with frames, on one side I have my links, on the other I have the webpage open up, without extracting images? Or does it need to load in a seperate window?
I want to make sure I understand, so please bear with me.
If I were to extract images from a website and put it on my website, that would be a copyright violation, right? Unless I get permission from the orginating site. But what if I create a website with frames, on one side I have my links, on the other I have the webpage open up, without extracting images? Or does it need to load in a seperate window?
Making a website isn't too hard. In fact, you do something similar when you make a post. When use you the ...[./b] tags, it's sort of like HTML. Only, it's <b>...</b> instead.
<b>bold</b>
<i>italics</i>
<u>underline</i>
<center>center</center> (you could use div align=center too).
<div align="center>....</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt;">size 12, arial font</div>
<table>Creates a table</table>
<tr>This goes inside the table tabs - creates a table row.</tr>
<td>Creats a table cell, and goes inside the tr tags.</td>
<blink>An old HTML tag that old browsers use to blink text. Pretty much obsolete now. "Depreciated".</blink>
<font="...">Another depreciated HTML tag. Use div style="...", or style sheets with class="..." instead</font>
And that's just the basics.
<b>bold</b>
<i>italics</i>
<u>underline</i>
<center>center</center> (you could use div align=center too).
<div align="center>....</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 12pt;">size 12, arial font</div>
<table>Creates a table</table>
<tr>This goes inside the table tabs - creates a table row.</tr>
<td>Creats a table cell, and goes inside the tr tags.</td>
<blink>An old HTML tag that old browsers use to blink text. Pretty much obsolete now. "Depreciated".</blink>
<font="...">Another depreciated HTML tag. Use div style="...", or style sheets with class="..." instead</font>
And that's just the basics.
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