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Hub - Always War PBEM

Discussion in 'Civ4 - PBEM Games' started by Nighthawk419, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. Nighthawk419

    Nighthawk419 Deity

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    Hello all - time to start up a new PBEM game! I don't like starting repetitive games with the standard model, I like to try and make all my games their own different monster. Anyway, based on a live game I had last week I came up with the idea of doing a game that will definitely be a little different than any other PBEM games.

    Settings as they stand today:

    Map: Hub
    Players: 6 Humans
    Level: Noble
    Speed: Normal
    Victories: Domination/Conquest only
    Barbs: Normal
    Huts: OFF
    Events: OFF
    World Wrap: Torroidal
    Isthmus: 2 squares
    Climate: Temperate
    Resources: Balanced
    Sea Level: Normal
    Land Shape: Natural
    Neutral Territory: Natural

    Settings:
    Always War!
    Cities CAN flip peacefully from culture
    No Tech Trades
    No Advanced Start
    Requires Complete Kills


    I'm curious to see everyone's interest and thoughts. As you can see it would be very much a warmongering game and depending on the number of players the hub could get very interesting. The Hub map is essentially each civ starts with its own area to expand in, there are land bridges (spokes) which go into a "common space" in the middle of the map and you connect to each players area only through the hub or through the ocean. Alliances are always possible, however with the always war setting allied players can't share what would be limited squares in the hub/spoke area and ultimately there can only be one winner...

    The first 7 players (and me) get in, I want no more than 8 players on a standard map. We will launch with less if interest wanes. We will attempt to get this game on www.PBEMtracker.com as well, however I won't wait for everyone to sign up to launch the game. Let me know if you want to be in and PM me with your info if I don't have it already.

    Info needed:
    Email addy
    timezone
    Hours you normally play

    **GAME FILLED - LAUNCH**

    Players:
    Nighthawk - Ragnar of Vikings
    Chasbolt - Ghandi of India
    Filon - Random
    Imp. Knoedel - Mansa Musa of Mali
    Skellora - Random
    Eclipse - Random

    Turn Order:
    Day 1

    Filon (GMT+6)
    Knoedel (GMT)
    Eclipse (GMT-5)
    Day 2
    Skellora (GMT)
    Chasbolt (GMT-5)
    Nighthawk (GMT-5)
     
  2. sohleks

    sohleks Prince

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    Okay, I'll play Ragnar too.

    Really though, the leader I'll actually play I'm still just deciding. Zara? Hmmm.... Suryavarman of the Khmer? Isabella? Someone Ottoman? Someone English?! How about... Gandhi! Dare I? Oh yes. I choose Gandhi.

    You should already have my info Nighthawk. Plus I'm already using pbemtracker.

    Game settings...

    Prefer some barbarians on. Raging or not matters not to me.

    Huts and events should probably be off. If they're on I don't mind.

    The world wrap seems pretty important on hub maps. If flat a naval threat most likely will come from a neighbor hub. If toroidal a naval assault might come from any direction post astronomy!
     
  3. Nighthawk419

    Nighthawk419 Deity

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    I do have your info sohleks, thanks for joining!

    Good thoughts too... Barbs will be on, probably not raging though, for everyone's sanity!

    Huts and Events off, agreed.

    world wrap is a good discussion. I think Torroidal might actually be a lot of fun, but we will see what others think!
     
  4. Filon

    Filon Chieftain

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    I am interested

    Leader: random
    gmt+6

    World Wrap: toroidal
     
  5. Nighthawk419

    Nighthawk419 Deity

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    bump bump - who else?
     
  6. sohleks

    sohleks Prince

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    :bump:

    I was just playing around with some map settings and decided on what I liked.

    Map: Hub
    Size:
    - Whatever's appropriate
    Climate:
    - Anything but arid looks good.
    Spoiler :
    If tropical the central "arctic" region turns from ice into plains and arctic resources become scarce.
    If cold the majority of the continents gain extra forests and deserts/floodplains become scarce as well as the tropical resources. Looks dull.
    Rocky just looks like temperate but extra hilly.

    Sealevel: Low
    Spoiler :
    - Greatly increases chances of continents sharing coastal tiles. Land area is increased.

    Areas per Player: One

    Land Shape: Natural
    Spoiler :
    - Looks best to me. Increases chances of continents sharing coastal tiles.

    Neutral Territory: Varied/Natural
    Spoiler :
    - Doesn't matter. If natural/islands it's more varied. Pressed is most consistent. Serves its purpose either way.

    Isthmus Width: Two or Three
    Spoiler :
    - Increases the width of the land bridges to the central continent. Two tiles is more like a chokepoint. Three tiles may increase tactical options and settlement desirability for better or worse.

    World Wrap: Toroidal

    Resources: Balanced
    Spoiler :
    - I've never played with this. After toggling to balanced it seems to increase your chance of getting iron from 7/8 to 8/8 and horses 4/8 to 8/8 in my short short experiment. Quantity of resources seem more consistent. There's still variety.


    Oh yes, I nearly forgot! Any thoughts about the option "Requires complete kills"? I'm supporting it.
     
  7. Nighthawk419

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    BUMP!!! Need a few more players! I'd like to get 6 and launch?!!!?

    My thoughts:

    Climate - I was just thinking temperate, didn't plan on changing that setting at all.

    Sea level - I was also thinking "standard" or "middle" or whatever... even before Optics you'll be able to sail to your neighbors easy enough, no need to make it THAT easy.

    Land shape - agreed on Natural... we want everything relatively balanced, but still a little different for each land mass for some spice!

    Neutral territory - again, natural is my vote. I want an all-natural standard hub map for this one!

    Isthmus - My vote is for 2 squares. 1 is just way too easy to set up a city as your chokepoint and defend it to all hell. With 2 you can still theoretically march past the gateway city but its a tight squeeze and there's tactical advantages/disadvantages for doing that as both defender and attacker. 3 squares is just way too wide and anyone can just march into your homelands. 2 squares seems best to me.

    Resources - balanced, yes. We definitely don't want someone getting screwed and not having horses or iron on their section of the map in an "always war" game (ie. that means no resources trading or anything at all, even if you wanted to)

    And lastly, yes, I am good with "require complete kills" for this game. Just because you lose your cities, I could see a scenario where you have a massive army marching on someone else and be able to take their city and continue to survive. Or have a "survival agreement" of some sort with another player to be allowed to take one of their cities and survive. In this game its war and you need to kill every last man to wipe someone out!
     
  8. Imp. Knoedel

    Imp. Knoedel Stalin and Starlight, Stalling a Stallion

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    Awesome, I´m in! I read somewhere that you don´t get any marble if you choose Balanced Resources though, so Nighthawk can´t steal mine again like last time. :p

    Interesting and exceptional idea, clearly different from the whole standard stuff you see everywhere. Appropriately I should choose an unusual leader I have no experience whatsoever with.

    Therefore, I choose... Gilgamesh of Sumeria! :lol:

    Nah, I think I´ll give Mansa Musa of Mali a try, a resource-less early UU never hurts in a warlike game like this.

    I think you already got all of my Info.

    Cheers.
     
  9. Nighthawk419

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    Welcome Knoedel! I look forward to wiping you off the map and stealing your resources as soon as possible! :lol:
     
  10. Skellora

    Skellora Chieftain

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    I'm up for this if you still have space.
    Random Leader
    GMT

    Hope that's all good
     
  11. Nighthawk419

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    Skellora you are in, thanks for joining!
     
  12. Eclipse4449

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    Please add me, are we choosing leaders yet?

    NightHawk I don't mean to be difficult but I'd like to be Ghengis Khan but thats only if everyone chooses aggressive type leaders

    Like Skellora I like Random leaders as well but not if people are picking Ancient destroyers
     
  13. Nighthawk419

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    Yes leaders are first come, first serve... however it seems to be a nice mix, not all ancient destroyers/aggressive types. You let me know what you want.
     
  14. Nighthawk419

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    Everyone - Here is what we are going to do with launching this game. I have a long-weekend-vacation coming up (out of town Thurs 7/24 to Sun 7/27) so I am going to leave "registration" open for this game through the weekend. Once I return I will launch on Monday evening with whoever has signed up. We currently have 6 and are capped at 8 players (to control speed) so if we get two more over the weekend they will be in. It will be first come, first serve with those last two spots.
     
  15. Nighthawk419

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    Oh also Filon and Skellora, I will need your email addresses. YOu can just PM them to me. Thanks
     
  16. Eclipse4449

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    Random for me sir
    Thank you
     
  17. sohleks

    sohleks Prince

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    Glad to have ya'll aboard. Currently we're 6/8 for a pretty Hub map.

    By the way, I was just thinking of this device. They call it Pbemtracker.
     
  18. Nighthawk419

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    We will get going in PBEM tracker, but lets launch the game first.

    i am catching up from vacation so will most likely be able to launch this game tomorrow. i need to get the turn order together and launch email, etc. I'll send the first turn tomorrow evening.
     
  19. Nighthawk419

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    Ok everyone - I've set up the turn order and will be launching the game tonight with the 6 of us. Along with the launch I will also send out an email with all the info you need to keep the game moving. I will also get us set up on PBEM tracker too. Rather than going for a 6 man rotation daily (which tends to break down) I went for a 3 man rotation for 1 full turn every 2 days. Turn order is as follows:

    Day 1
    Filon (GMT+6)
    Knoedel (GMT)
    Eclipse (GMT-5)
    Day 2
    Skellora (GMT)
    Sohleks (GMT-5)
    Nighthawk (GMT-5)

    Since I am launching the game in the evening, Filon will have the turn in his inbox for the start of it all tomorrow morning.
     
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