Humankind - Teutons discussion thread

[Eagle Pursuit]

https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1272914404926017537?s=19

Emblematic unit: Teutonic Knight
Emblematic Quarter: Kaiserdom

Classification: Expansionist

 

[Siptah]

With the Kaiserdom and the repeated mentioning of Christianity, I suppose they have something religious going for them in the game.

How well the mix between the HRE associations, Kaiserdom and being a successor state, and the Teutonic Knights associations blends in terms of immersion in the game remains to be seen. Looking forward to playing them.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Love the art on these one!

So Umayyad are scientist and Aztec aesthete?

 

[CivLuvah]

Surprised by the use of "Teutons" (a la Age of Empires 2) while we have the Germans for a later era. On the other hand, Holy Roman Emperors in the early and high Middle Ages did have a title of rex teutonicum.

 

[mitsho]

With the Kaiserdom and the repeated mentioning of Christianity, I suppose they have something religious going for them in the game.

How well the mix between the HRE associations, Kaiserdom and being a successor state, and the Teutonic Knights associations blends in terms of immersion in the game remains to be seen. Looking forward to playing them.

I don't believe we really can read much out of the descriptions.

I do agree though that the Teutons here seem to be some weird mix time-wise and geographically. Though they are probably inbetween the Franks and the English timeplacement wise.

I'm already looking forward to the expansion giving us Italian City States to fill out for a nice scenario. (and the Inca because, come on)

Love the art on these one!

So Umayyad are scientist and Aztec aesthete?

Yeah, seems like. Both probably quite aggressive as well. There's no reason a "peaceful" trait can't be mixed with a agressive emblematic unit and a (in lake buildable) agrarian emblematic quarter.

 

[CivLuvah]

Love the art on these one!

So Umayyad are scientist and Aztec aesthete?

Hopefully, we have an Arab caliphate for a civ in the coming weeks. I would rather have the Abbasids than the Umayyads because the former ruled during the Islamic Golden Age. For the Aztecs, I think they're more of the early modern era.

 

[Zaarin]

For the Aztecs, I think they're more of the early modern era.

The Aztecs lasted a couple decades into the Early Modern Period. They make much more sense for Medieval.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The Aztecs lasted a couple decades into the Early Modern Period. They make much more sense for Medieval.

They should also appear alongside with the Inca.
I think I would trade the Teutons for the Inca personally. I'm not sure why we need both the Franks and the Teutons, as the Franks felt fine as representing mainland Western Europe.
The card even said they were the successors to the Carolingians, yet they are in the same time period?

 

[Zaarin]

They should also appear alongside with the Inca.
I think I would trade the Teutons for the Inca personally.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a pack of South American cultures in the future as the base game seems to be lacking them.

 

[FinalDoomsday]

I wonder what functional differences there will be between the Frankish Lancer and this Teutonic Knight? Both appear to have lance and shield.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a pack of South American cultures in the future as the base game seems to be lacking them.

No doubt because so far there aren't any. It's just when you say the base game will come with 60 different cultures, you would think that the Inca would be one of them.

 

[CivLuvah]

the Franks felt fine as representing mainland Western Europe.
The card even said they were the successors to the Carolingians, yet they are in the same time period?

So let me get this straight:

The tweet for the introduction of the Franks says that the "Frankish kings fought hard to strengthen their power over most of Western Europe". But the tweet for the introduction of the Teutons is that they "call themselves the successors of the Carolingian and Roman empires". So does that mean we have two successor civs in one era? Are they supposed to be separate civs entirely or can we consider them as branches in the same origin tree (the empire of Charlemagne)? I am confusion.

 

[j51]

No doubt because so far there aren't any. It's just when you say the base game will come with 60 different cultures, you would think that the Inca would be one of them.

It better be a day one DLC, lol. I don't wanna wait!

 

[j51]

So let me get this straight:

The tweet for the introduction of the Franks says that the "Frankish kings fought hard to strengthen their power over most of Western Europe". But the tweet for the introduction of the Teutons is that they "call themselves the successors of the Carolingian and Roman empires". So does that mean we have two successor civs in one era? Are they supposed to be separate civs entirely or can we consider them as branches in the same origin tree (the empire of Charlemagne)? I am confusion.

Yeah, the inclusion of the Expansionist Franks, as opposed to say Aesthete Capetians, makes the Teutons redundant. This is the first choice from Humankind's team that I'm truly disappointed in. The Inca, or the Tang, or really any other non-European culture would have been waaaaaaaay better.

 

[Siptah]

So let me get this straight:

The tweet for the introduction of the Franks says that the "Frankish kings fought hard to strengthen their power over most of Western Europe". But the tweet for the introduction of the Teutons is that they "call themselves the successors of the Carolingian and Roman empires". So does that mean we have two successor civs in one era? Are they supposed to be separate civs entirely or can we consider them as branches in the same origin tree (the empire of Charlemagne)? I am confusion.

They are in the same era, because this era is a rather long one with around 1000 years. As I understand it, the choice of the name Teutons over something like Germany or HRE also makes them more of an Eastern European representation as the Teutonic Knights are mostly associated with spreading eastwards and ruling their Baltic lands.

Aren‘t the goths and the romans in the same era as well? That‘s a similar connection.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Yeah, the inclusion of the Expansionist Franks, as opposed to say Aesthete Capetians, makes the Teutons redundant. This is the first choice from Humankind's team that I'm truly disappointed in. The Inca, or the Tang, or really any other non-European culture would have been waaaaaaaay better.

Agree.
There are even other medieval european options like Magyars (Hungarians if going to be just one representative) or Balts (Lithuanias) are options that I like better than Teutons and English on medieval.

Still UK and Germany are a must to sell. I hope cultures like Incas, Majapahit, Chola/Tamils, Tibetans, Berbers, Swahili, Magyars, Balts, etc. Could make it on the expansions.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

So let me get this straight:

The tweet for the introduction of the Franks says that the "Frankish kings fought hard to strengthen their power over most of Western Europe". But the tweet for the introduction of the Teutons is that they "call themselves the successors of the Carolingian and Roman empires". So does that mean we have two successor civs in one era? Are they supposed to be separate civs entirely or can we consider them as branches in the same origin tree (the empire of Charlemagne)? I am confusion.

Teutonic is just another name, I believe, for Germanic. They are supposed to represent the people that will turn into present-day Germany.

The Franks, which are a Germanic people, under Charlemagne controlled parts of both France and Germany. After this disintegration of the Empire the west kept the name Franks and were predecessors to France.

The lands of present-day Germany though were still inhabited by Frankish people, called East Francia for a while, which did evolve into the HRE Empire again, but by that time France was a separate kingdom from it.

It seems to me they wanted to create a different medieval Germany and medieval France culture when realistically I think they could have been combined into one under the Franks.

 

[Guandao]

I've not much to say besides "Cool art". I'm guessing it's the Umayyads and Aztecs who are left. Aztecs being Aesthete with their human sacrifice.....

 

[Siptah]

I've not much to say besides "Cool art". I'm guessing it's the Umayyads and Aztecs who are left. Aztecs being Aesthete with their human sacrifice.....

You can sacrifice in an a well-developed ritual or in a barbaric way without any class...

 

[Guandao]

You can sacrifice in an a well-developed ritual or in a barbaric way without any class...

Not to mention their cannibalism....