Hybrid base placement

[tinstaafl]

To players more experienced players than me - how far apart are you placing your bases when going green? I started a green game with Yang yesterday, and perhaps influenced by the way Yang played out in SMAC and the knowledge that hybrid strategy is supposed to use more, and smaller bases, i spaced them 3 tiles apart (as a general rle wih exceptions, of course, for isntance i left more room around my capital).

Later in the game it occured to me that i could probably build some single high yield + ecodamage tiles in most bases and still stay at +2 oder +3 planet attitude for the most part. But that would require me to have placed my bases 4 tiles apart, because else, i'm getting a farm's yield once, but it's ecodamage twice, while with a 4 tile spacing i will get the ecodamage once if i build those improvements right next to the base. but i'm not sure i can have 12 to 14 pop per base and still be in the green when there's also a farm So in the end i may not be using tiles using that method? then again... Once you go hybrid, distances doesn't matter, so i guess the design is kinda that you actually space them further apart? (EDIT: i just noticed that the distance modifier is not removed with hybrid, but autarky, so that part is not true)

Which way do you usually go? I guess with Yang being on the fringes of civilization and having enough land to settle a loose spacing is preferred, but say you are playing a faction that starts out in the middle?

Or do you even avoid terraformed tiles completely and go planet attitude +6 or higher?

 

[Pfeffersack]

Interesting observations on polluting improvements in shared tiles I wonder if this is intended or at least technically not possible to change...

For my strategy of placing bases...it is mainly directed by the ressources. I try to waste none and to create bases which have access to multiple ressources - even more when going Hybrid (Terraformer cities can even grow big, if they don't have all tiles available). That usually tends to lead to more outspread bases in my games, but I'm sure that you can play in a different way (which might be even more sucessful - I noticed in my last game how getting access to the pro-planet-effect of the fungus ressources can immediately give your PV a push...and the more bases, the bigger it gets) I usually don't build a lot of polluting improvments when playing green style (often only the ones needed to harvest ressources); IMO, the danger is too high that you go overboard with it or your bases grow too big and you ruin your green attitude.

 

[GeoModder]

Interesting observations on polluting improvements in shared tiles I wonder if this is intended or at least technically not possible to change...

I suppose it works the other way around too, with health and Planet Attitude/Value bonii?

 

[tinstaafl]

I suppose it works the other way around too, with health and Planet Attitude/Value bonii?

It does, in my terraformer game with Morgan i made some use of it with overlapping edens for (is that just a smiley or is it the CIV happiness symbol , i'm not sure).
No idea wether it's a feature (it is the same with BTS forest health) but i like it, i find thinking about how best to terraform your land is a main feature of planetfall (in the way some improvements affect neighboring tiles, or how you can't build magtubes everywhere) compared to bts, so that fits right in.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

I have a related question. I eventually won a Morgan Emperor game, but because the planet hates me, some of my farms got culture-flipped to Deidre. (And I got a taste of what green native creatures can do to drop troopers if you planet attitude is -10 right when I was about to win) Does the fact that even though I built a farm and a mine but no longer own them, mean that Deidre gets the bad planet attitude for her city that's using my farm and mine?

 

[tinstaafl]

I don't know, i have a savegame where i am getting the health bonus from a forest that is in my BFC but in drones territory, i guess it will probably be the same for everything features do, including negative effects? Lorewise that would actually seem ok too, since planet probably doesn't differentiate but it's a bit odd that you could make someone else suffer (along with you) for your boreholes. Then again, it should be minor.
Or that you can theoretically freeride on someone elses edens, that would be quite odd.

On the matter of hybrid strategies, there seem to be quite a few. That's a lot to try out.... Which factions do you all think, beside gaia ofc fit a hybrid strategy best? Yeah i know, play the map and all that, but i can always regen

 

[Pickly]

That was odd, somehow this post ended up in the wrong thread.

 

[Maniac]

On the matter of hybrid strategies, there seem to be quite a few. That's a lot to try out.... Which factions do you all think, beside gaia ofc fit a hybrid strategy best? Yeah i know, play the map and all that, but i can always regen

I'd say the Peacekeepers. Their double council votes also work in the Concordat. Plus with Personality Transcription you don't need large bases to make maximal use of your +100% great people points, so the synergy between Hybrid and small bases is no problem.