HYPOTHETICAL Middle East Scenario

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Few years from now, Israel is ruled by right wing coalition led by Likud. Security situation changed little - Hamas is still in power in Gaza and it has rebuilt most of its infrastructed. The hopes that the international community would prevent arms smuggling were naive, and Hamas is now even stronger than it was in 2008.

After Obama's talks with Iran collapsed a year ago, the tension is mounting. Israeli PM Netanyahu is now pressuring Obama to approve and support an Israeli airstrike against Iranian nuclear facilities, the US president is reluctant, however. Iranian leaders are aware of the danger and a decision is made to divert the world's attention from Iranian nuclear programme back to a more popular spot - Israel. This diversion worked well in 2006 and 2008, so why not use the well-tested strategy again? After all, third time's the charm. This time, however, it needs to be something really big, otherwise it wouldn't have the desired effect.


Therefore, the Iranian secret service launches an operation to supply Hamas with newer, more potent missiles (let's say Fajr-5). That is not all, however. As a bonus, Hamas gets chemical warheads for these missiles and a small amount of Cesium-137 radiactive isotope. Hamas is being encouraged by the IRGC instructors to use it againt the Zionist regime as soon as a valid pretext appears. Hamas is at first reluctant, fearing massive Israeli reprisals reminiscent of the 2008-2009 conflict, but the Iranian pressure (including the threat to suspend all aid for Hamas) soon convinces the Hamas leaders that they don't have any other choice but to attack.

The pretext comes when IDF conducts few dozen airstrikes in the south of Gaza strip, targeting the partially rebuilt smuggling tunnels. The next day, dozens of Fajr-5 missiles hit Tel Aviv metropolitan area. The results are terrible - hundreds of dead from VX poisoning, large areas of the city contaminated by Cesium-137 with tens of thousands of people exposed to it.

The picture of Jews being gassed again (in their own country!) sends shivers down the spine of every Jew in the world. Shock is soon superseded by anger and Israelis erupt in rage. Almost everybody calls for revenge and this sentiment is only supported by the pictures of Palestinians celebrating the attack.

The Israeli reaction soon follows - Netanyahu delivers an emotive speech in Knesset promising "elimination of the Gaza threat". "Gloves are coming off" he adds. Israeli defense minister is quoted saying that "we're going to bomb them into oblivion." Ultimatum is issued to the UN, the other international organizations and journalists is Gaza to leave the Strip in 48 hours, otherwise Israel can't be held responsible for their fate. Partial mobilization in Israel is started, artillery and armored vehicles are amassing around Gaza Strip.

As the ultimatum expires, Israeli airforce conducts the most destructive air raid since the Vietnam war. As Netanyahu promised, Israel doesn't care about the civilian casualites now. In just one night and day of bombing, thousands of Palestinians are killed. Artillery soon joins the party and Gaza is being mercilessly pounded. The extent of devastation is off the scale, the city soon stops looking like a city. It's now hard to even guess how many people died, but estimates talk about tens of thousands. What's even more important is the huge river of refugees flowing to Egypt. At first, Egypt tries to stop them, but the border guards are soon overwhelmed by tens of thousands of people and give up.

Soon it becomes clear what's the Israeli strategy - the concentrated artillery barrage is slowly moving south to Egyptian border in a clear attempt to drive the Palestinians out. And it works - Egypt is now swarmed by hundreds of thousands of refugees. In just one week, the barrage reaches Rafah at the border with Egypt. By this time, more than a million Palestinians fled the Gaza Strip and are now struggling to survive in camps which are hastily being constructed by the Egyptian government and the UN.

Israeli ground forces meanwhile invade the Strip from the North and start the cleansing operations. Surviving civilians are being rounded up and transported first to Israeli detention camps in southern Israel and then to the West Bank. The border with Egypt is closed and IDF establishes a security zone here to prevent anybody from returning to the Strip. Egypt loudly protests and issues threats, but dares not to launch any direct intervention on behalf Gaza residents.

In just over two weeks, "the op" is finished and Netanyahu announces that "the Gaza threat has been removed once and for all."

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Now, I want you to guess what the reaction of the world, especially that of the most important actors involved in the peace process (the UN, EU, USA, Russia) would be. Also, would the Iranian goal be achieved? How would it affect the future of Israel and the Palestinians? How would the Arab/Muslim countries react to this?

This is a purely hypothetical worst case scenario (though I tried to stay in the realm of possible), but I want you to be REALISTIC and really THINK about the most likely consequences. If you can't do that, don't say anything.
 
I think I know your reaction Winner, and it involves having to clean up with a tissue afterwards
 
I imagine you would see massive anti-Israeli protests in all major European cities. Perhaps Islamic communities in France and other European countries would violently riot.

You might see some moderate regimes in Islamic countries get overthrown by radicals who use this as a way of gaining popular support. The millions of refugees in Egypt could certainly do a lot of things to destabilize the government.
 
I imagine you would see massive anti-Israeli protests in all major European cities.

More like in the cities with significant Arab/Muslim minorities. I suppose that the shock of the Hamas WMD strike against Tel Aviv would discourage most native Europeans from supporting either side.

Perhaps Islamic communities in France and other European countries would violently riot.

They'd most certainly riot, yes.

You might see some moderate regimes in Islamic countries get overthrown by radicals who use this as a way of gaining popular support. The millions of refugees in Egypt could certainly do a lot of things to destabilize the government.

That's what I think too. Muslim brotherhood backed by the Hamas refugees would certainly be boosted.


What about the official reaction?

- Would the US cease to support Israel?
- Would the EU sanction Israel?
- Would Russia ally itself with the Islamist regimes?
- What about China?
 
The hypothetical scenario is absolutely ridiculous, but I'll answer your question.

Nothing would happen. Israel won't be punished. Arab nations won't be too happy but Israel can live with that. There will be massive demonstration and some harshly-worded UN resolutions but it's not like Israel ever care about those anyways.

Ethnic clensing in Gaza alone won't convince Russia to ally itself with the Islamists. Nor will it result in any lasting hostile relations with the US or EU (or China, for that matter). In fact, US and EU will congratulate Israel for eliminating the chemical weapons threat. Especially if it's found out that Iran was involved. Then the West would have a nice handy casus belli.
 
More like in the cities with significant Arab/Muslim minorities. I suppose that the shock of the Hamas WMD strike against Tel Aviv would discourage most native Europeans from supporting either side.

This conviction of yours that western anti-Israel sentiment comes primarily from Arabs/Muslims is wrong and stupid.
 
I think I know your reaction Winner, and it involves having to clean up with a tissue afterwards

:lol::lol::lol: thread closed

I don't know if it is cultural or genetic or the land is too crowded, but it is weird all this fascination people in Central Europe have with genocide, mass murder, forced sterilization and ethnic cleansing :lol:
 
The only troll I've seen so far is the OP. Thread should be closed IMO.
 
Thank God (and I really mean that) that this just a hypothetical scenario! This outcome would be totally bestialic and awful. Something like this will hopely never happen. I mainly with taillesskangaru though about the results of such a "war" (it's more like a unhuman mass slaughtering, innit?).
 
This scenario of genocide and mass murdering is disturbing to say the least. I don't think Israel, or Hamas would get away with such war easily.
 
Yeah, well, remember this thread next time Winner is talking about his loathing for Muslims. I think this is more of a fantasy than a hypothesis.
 
I don't think the Israelis would ever seek permission from the U.S. to strike at targets in Iran.
 
I don't think the Israelis would ever seek permission from the U.S. to strike at targets in Iran.

I need to make a call. Is that okay?
 
International condemnation of Israel, and then Iran, when the Israeli intelligence services releases their reports. The US will probably distance themselves from Israel now, but there will be action on Iran.
 
Fail?

Anywho, it would be really simple:
1) Mass anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic protests break out. The horrors of the 'war' allows neo-Nazi and hate groups to whip up sentiment against Israel and Jews, bringing them new support.
2) Radicals take control in the Middle East. A coup in Egypt after the inability to handle the refugees and years of Mubarak's rule brings the radical elements of the Muslim Brotherhood into power. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states see swings toward radicalism in local and national politics.
3) Iran steps up the offensive. With the death of Hamas, Hezbullah is the only viable option. They too are armed in preparation. At the same time, Fatah is overthrown and the West Bank government is replaced by a Hamas-like organization.
4) Lebanon declares war. Hezbollah swarms over the Israeli border, and Israel prepares for a similar war against Lebanon.
5) The United States remains silent. They're trapped - the government can't risk alienating conservatives in Congress, but can't support such violence.

And the situation is once again similar to today's.
 
And the situation is once again similar to today's.

Nerve gas attacks? The expulsion (would be a light term for it) of an entire population and annexation of Gaza? How the hell is this situation going to be similar to today's state of affairs?
 
It depends on whether or not Israel knows whether or not the weapons came from Iran. If they did, they would glass the crap out of Iran. This would likely spur Arab fury across the middle east prompting all sorts of trouble and ending with the Arab nations ganging up on Israel and more glassing of Arab real estate.

Otherwise, I don't think that many nations would outright condemn Israel, unless they were truly just killing everybody and making no attempt whatsoever to avoid civilians. I don't think that Israel would purposely kill civilians just to kill civilians. Israel is smart enough to know that a chemical rocket attack on Tel Aviv would furnish that nation with more sympathy and support than could ever be garnered otherwise. The Israeli response to such an attack would be similar to the 2008-09 conflict, excepting that the occupation of Gaza would be non-negotiable and more permanent.

I think that an occupation of West Bank would also inevitably become necessary, as well. That territory would likely end up getting uppity before long. I also think that, if Israel had not stricken Iran by then, they would strike their nuclear facilities almost immediately. Any other WMD installations across the Arab world would become targets, as well.
 
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