I've already decided to hop ship over to 6 (I hate 5 with a passion). Traffic numbers aren't an end all tell but forum activity and game participation certainly is.
HoF is sadly pathetic. That's a big one for me seeing how I now play almost exclusively HoF. The recent G-Minors have been laughable as well as HoF challenger series participation. The only Mods I use are Buffy or Bat and those don't actually change the official rules/actions. Any Mods that actually change the rules, era, actions of the AI, etc are not for me (huge turn off actually). Imo the game needs to be played as it was designed, period (once again, necessary in HoF anyways).
So yeah, Civ IV is probably dead for me very soon too. Civ 6 looks like it has the potential to be a fine game. Time will tell.
The problem is that now I can't even finish a game. I'm bored of it. After 8 years, I feel like there is nowhere left to go with the game anymore. Even modding has become a boring chore.
That's my problem. I got into this play mode where I was just testing BAT and Better BAT AI and doing nothing else. I'm burned out from doing that.And perhaps it's natural that with playing far less, I've been modding somewhat less as well.
I'm sort of sad because I feel like I'm abandoning an old friend. Like I posted earlier, Civ has gotten me through some very rough times in my life. When I thought that I just couldn't go on, there was Hatty, or Louis, or Toku looking at me from the screen. It made me feel better, and gave me something else to think about for a while. I owe a lot to this game.But... I'm not sure I'd really say I'm sad at this point. Especially this year I've been branching out and finding a lot of different games that I enjoy, and while I may not equal even my Civ4 levels of time on them, it's refreshing to try something different. And it's so easy to pick up games inexpensively these days that it makes a lot of sense to try a variety.
That's my problem. I got into this play mode where I was just testing BAT and Better BAT AI and doing nothing else. I'm burned out from doing that.
I used to be really excited when I came out with a new version of my mods, but now I can hardly be bothered to answer questions about them in the support forum. It's unfortunate, but that's what its come down to. I know exactly how you feel when you say you are modding less. I understand the reasons completely.
I'm sort of sad because I feel like I'm abandoning an old friend. Like I posted earlier, Civ has gotten me through some very rough times in my life. When I thought that I just couldn't go on, there was Hatty, or Louis, or Toku looking at me from the screen. It made me feel better, and gave me something else to think about for a while. I owe a lot to this game.
I'm starting to branch out with my game play, too. I'm finding a lot of stuff to play that is really interesting and fresh. I'm trying not to go for 4X games ATM because I'm sort of tired of the genre (the exception I make is Paradox's Stellaris), but there certainly are a lot of good games out there, and if you wait for sales, you can really maximize your gaming dollar.
Maybe I'll return to Civ in the future, and I won't feel like I'm cheating on Sid. I need to be away for long enough to forget how to play. Come at it with a fresh strategy.
For now, I'm going to finish the sequels to Bioshock: Infinite, and put my Civ disks and modding notes away. It's been a good ride, but the carnival is still going on, and there are other rides to have fun with.
BAT 4.1 is the best thing happening to BTS.
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BAT 4.1 is the best thing happening to BTS. The community.. I, thank you eternally and we already miss you, I think.
Truer words never spoken...all hail her Lemoniness
Timsup2nothin, that is not what I meant. I was only talking about the Civ series, and how it looks like we'll never have a game even similar Civ IV again.
While what you say may be true, please do not put words in my mouth.
I think a lot of people missed the point in the OP. It isn't that Civ IV, a great game, has 'passed the torch of the franchise' on to a game that is disappointing to the old hands. It is that the reasoning for the changes appears to be "proven" and that makes similar changes inevitable all across the spectrum of gaming.
I've been playing a new to me economic sim game I got from GoG for a buck or something. The graphics are ridiculous. The databases are microscopic because it was designed to be completely loaded into memory from a 5.25 inch disk. The gameplay is terrific; complex, challenging, offering a variety of strategies (some of which apparently just do NOT work no matter how I've gone at them). A modern version, not with any significant upgrade in graphics but with the kind of variety of industries and products that a modern computer could handle is like a dream...a dream that will never be realized, because we have entered an era of cartoon games that can be played on a phone and never take more than an hour to complete.
Economic sims barely exist any more.
Real time strategy is reduced to multi-player buffoonery."
4X is burdened by the commercial success of Civ five.
RPGs are sinking into the morass of Call of Duty knock offs.
EVERY major franchise is looking back...often WAYYYYYY back...to its last really descent gameplay through a haze of commercially successful shiny graphics.
It is sad. The good news is that for a couple decades, at least, I was driven to upgrade my machine frequently, and expensively. Now I only upgrade, and that slightly, when something completely breaks down...because everything worth playing runs great on ten year old hardware anyway.
That's my problem. I got into this play mode where I was just testing BAT and Better BAT AI and doing nothing else. I'm burned out from doing that.
I used to be really excited when I came out with a new version of my mods, but now I can hardly be bothered to answer questions about them in the support forum. It's unfortunate, but that's what its come down to. I know exactly how you feel when you say you are modding less. I understand the reasons completely.
For what it's worth, I agree with a lot of this, whether that was the intent of the OP or not (I've not re-read it). I have a pretty decent computer now, but my old one was indeed old (6-7 years). But I don't use Steam (spit) and never will, which limits new purchases a great deal given their de facto monopoly, and most of those new games aren't worth the digital box they come in either. There are some exceptions, like Pillars of Eternity, and it sounds like the Paradox games are still well-received, like Stellaris (I've not tried any of them). But for the most part I play old games, because these games focused more on gameplay and story, and less on bling-bling and gameplay a monkey with a blindfold could handle. I prefer games with some strategy and depth, with many options.
Quite simply, the gaming industry has changed. Like most Hollywood movies, it's not about quality and creativity, making something new and ground-breaking, but quantity and money. If you stumble upon something that sells well, like all the drones playing Call of Duty, then you push out those games at least once a year. Pump out DLC too, keep milking gamers, ideally by breaking up the game. Support? Who cares. Once you have sold your game, you have made your buck, so move on to the next one. Repeat.
For those of us who experienced the early period of the gaming industry, when there was more focus on quality games, this is a sad development.